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pena 02-02-2007 07:14 AM

.5/1 top pair on 3-flush flop
 
opp is Loose-passive-aggressive (30/0/2.4)

Top pair on dangerous flop.
I should fold at least on turn, right?

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="green">Opp thinks quite a long time and finally bets.
I've noticed, it's tell player might be holding a good hand, but some reason I never trust it.
</font><font color="#cc0000"> UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7.5BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 9.5BB

fretelöo 02-02-2007 07:33 AM

Re: .5/1 top pair on 3-flush flop
 
I think it's better to just call the flop and raise a safe-looking turn, but in any case, your line is at least ok. Calling down here is definitely fine, I think.

Edit: Well, what does he limp with UTG? Probably some suited face cards? PP? Does he raise here with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]? or A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]? So, ... I don't know...

calidris 02-02-2007 07:46 AM

Re: .5/1 top pair on 3-flush flop
 
crappy situation since there are basically no safe turn cards to hope for on the flop. c/c flop and you still don't know anything when UTG bets turn. This looks like one of these situations where you simply have to lay down TPTK. I don't know if it's +EV to go onto a call down trip on this flop.

Turn card helps because now you got 4 outs to beat a flush but pot odds alone doesn't justify calling so it boils down to if you think TPTK is good enough times on the river to make up for that.

calidris 02-02-2007 07:50 AM

Re: .5/1 top pair on 3-flush flop
 
[ QUOTE ]
Opp thinks quite a long time and finally bets.
I've noticed, it's tell player might be holding a good hand, but some reason I never trust it.

[/ QUOTE ]
Or, he's scared that you're slowplaying a made flush and is going for a c/r on the turn.

fretelöo 02-02-2007 07:56 AM

Re: .5/1 top pair on 3-flush flop
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Opp thinks quite a long time and finally bets.
I've noticed, it's tell player might be holding a good hand, but some reason I never trust it.

[/ QUOTE ]
Or, he's scared that you're slowplaying a made flush and is going for a c/r on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, if he's scared, he either has a lower flush or doens't have one at all. The time that he has a flush and is scared of a higher one are so rare, that I don't think anyone will fear that if the board doesn't bring a fourth [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Any non-heart is a safe card on the turn.

tyler_cracker 02-02-2007 03:21 PM

Re: .5/1 top pair on 3-flush flop
 
i 3bet the flop OOP against an aggressive opponent. folding TPTK here would be a significant mistake.

Riku 02-02-2007 03:26 PM

Re: .5/1 top pair on 3-flush flop
 
If he really is aggro, i 3bet the flop.


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