wf does 1/3 pot donkbet in 3 way means!!? pls tell me
 

Golden Palace
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $104.59
UTG+1: $119.19
Hero: $197
Button: $197
SB: $107.25
BB: $121.78

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $10</font>, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($31, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $10</font>.
Uncalled bets: $10 returned to UTG+1.

Turn: : ($31, 3 players)
Hero folds.

Results:
Final pot: $31

My questions are :

What do you think he has?

and

Do you think I can push him off his hand?

Re: wf does 1/3 pot donkbet in 3 way means!!? pls tell me
 

if you raise flop, hes definitely calling.

doesn't mean you are behind if he calls but I don't think hes folding the flop.

Re: wf does 1/3 pot donkbet in 3 way means!!? pls tell me
 

I don't much care for the pre-flop raise. I think the bet means, he wants a cheap look at the turn, but really does not care and is willing to pay full price if you make him. Personally I like folding pre-flop and would fold the flop.

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you MIGHT be able to push him off a hand, but considering the number of chips you'll have to commit to do so, it will be -EV against his range. So folding flop is best.

He probably either has a hand that beats you or a SD + over. It's possible that he has a monster and he's just playing it like a donk in some misguided attempt to be tricky.

The only hands you're likely to be able to fold out are JT, T9, 99, or an underpair. And you would have to commit way too many chips in an uncertain situation before you could hope to fold one of them out.

Also, the KTo raise pf is pretty ugly IMO. Great chance to flop a marginal hand and get in kicker trouble or worse. Unless you flop two pair, it will be hard to play any made hands aggressively against anyone who'll come along after the flop.

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Most likely a draw, possibly a weak combo draw. You won't push him off it, but you could call the flop and reevaluate on the turn. Probably just fold, though.

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Also, the KTo raise pf is pretty ugly IMO. Great chance to flop a marginal hand and get in kicker trouble or worse. Unless you flop two pair, it will be hard to play any made hands aggressively against anyone who'll come along after the flop.

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So, are you folding it? Because limping is the ghey.

Re: wf does 1/3 pot donkbet in 3 way means!!? pls tell me
 

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Also, the KTo raise pf is pretty ugly IMO. Great chance to flop a marginal hand and get in kicker trouble or worse. Unless you flop two pair, it will be hard to play any made hands aggressively against anyone who'll come along after the flop.

[/ QUOTE ]I didnt play KT because its a good hand. I played it because I could buy position on a weak player AND because my image at the time permitted it.

Edit : position is way more important than cards. If KT is not a winner for you in tis situation, work on your post flop play, cb less. Try to play some poker lol!!

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if you raise flop, hes definitely calling.

doesn't mean you are behind if he calls but I don't think hes folding the flop.

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You haven't exerimented with raising these guys I think. This is a bet/fold line a lot of the time. And its good to find out. I raise this as a semi-bluff alot depending on my image history with the villian. WIth little history, I almost always raise these guys up, and usually they fold.

Re: wf does 1/3 pot donkbet in 3 way means!!? pls tell me
 

in my experiance villian usually has a draw here, or a small piece of the board. i raise these bets most of the time, especially with position

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What do you think he has?


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Anything from a weak pair to a draw that he wants to get to cheap. But it's hard to say given the information.

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Do you think I can push him off his hand?

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Fold equity is largely player depended, so you tell me? Will he fold often enough to make it profitable? if you have no idea, you should hold off raising weak hands like this until your reads are clearer.