Lots of action on flop, stupid push for a mammoth (400+BB pot)?
 

I was berated for my play on this hand, and maybe I donked it up b/c I'm still a hold em player at heart. I thought the only move was to get it all in here on the flop, was I wrong? Am I a dog to a wrap here?

I was berated after the hand was over (which is nothing new, lol), but just starting out with Omahahaha and trying to get on the right track.


Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $61.80
UTG+1: $162.05
CO: $56.40
Hero: $91.50
SB: $23
BB: $41.95

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2.75</font>, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, CO folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($9, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $8.55</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $34.2</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $88.75</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB calls all-in $5</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Results:
Final pot: $225.7

Re: Lots of action on flop, stupid push for a mammoth (400+BB pot)?
 

This is so very super-standard.

Re: Lots of action on flop, stupid push for a mammoth (400+BB pot)?
 

hmmmmm.... 14 outs minimum... possibly ahead anyway.... this is as standard as they come

Re: Lots of action on flop, stupid push for a mammoth (400+BB pot)?
 

Cool, just checkin. FWIW I dragged it, tripped up on turn and river was a non-pairing club. Ship it!

Re: Lots of action on flop, stupid push for a mammoth (400+BB pot)?
 

sorry, what are the 14 outs?


if bb only does this with a set you can think about folding. you crush most draws, which is why people like pushing, but on balance you're probably not making tons of money in this spot unless he's v. aggro and would play like this w/ 1p + a lower FD.

Re: Lots of action on flop, stupid push for a mammoth (400+BB pot)?
 

In the main pot you are probably a huge 2 to 1 favorite and remember you are putting in just 1/3 of the money. link to odds

Now depending UTG+1's opinion of you, i.e. hopefully you have been raising with other stuff than just aces on the button, the side pot is a little more interesting to analyze. What exactly do you think he has?

If I were to take a wild guess at his range: 77**,22**,*c*c**,89**,T7**,J89*,896*
you are still a big 65% favorite (click for link).

If you feel like you have a better handle on exactly what he might have, you can just fiddle with it yourself.

Re: Lots of action on flop, stupid push for a mammoth (400+BB pot)?
 

Looks pretty standard to me. Another nice point is having big action hands tends to rev up the table. I like laggy tables because I trust my judgement to be better than others at the table (If I don't feel this way I am getting way better at leaving the table). It makes for some swings, but if you mind swings you have picked the wrong game [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Lots of action on flop, stupid push for a mammoth (400+BB pot)?
 

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I trust my judgement to be better than others at the table in big pots.

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fyp.

It seems that weaker players and those on tilt shut down thinking when pots get large. Ehh..I just go ahead and push. They (we) do this even though it might make sense for them to just call or fold. Especially important for turn play and deep stacks.

Re: Lots of action on flop, stupid push for a mammoth (400+BB pot)?
 

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if bb only does this with a set you can think about folding.

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Umm, you missed UTG+1 cold calling every bet and raise on the flop. Easy easy push. And if it was HU and he 'only does it with a set' you still can't fold given the dead money.

Re: Lots of action on flop, stupid push for a mammoth (400+BB pot)?
 

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sorry, what are the 14 outs?


if bb only does this with a set you can think about folding. you crush most draws, which is why people like pushing, but on balance you're probably not making tons of money in this spot unless he's v. aggro and would play like this w/ 1p + a lower FD.

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the best thing is UTG probably doesn't have a set. You have a really good hand and you played it well.