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hamnegger 01-22-2007 01:37 AM

turning pt in my millions tourn. did i screw up?
 
made the money finishing in 800's but 1 hand really is eating at me. the 1st hand is an illustration of the villains agressive style and how the 1st hand may be a squeeze play. it was hand 210. the second hand is hand 216. the villain is the 2nd all in guy. is my fold way too weak here?

No-Limit PokerStars Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB (t63768)
BB (t27740)
UTG (t61178)
UTG+1 (t63245)
MP1 (t15394)
MP2 (t67640)
MP3 (t39505)
Hero (t77707)
Button (t53436)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t3280</font>, Hero calls t3200, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t12880</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t19920

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG (t78182)
UTG+1 (t33960)
MP1 (t58278)
MP2 (t73065)
MP3 (t96900)
CO (t67460)
Button (t34805)
Hero (t61507)
BB (t62456)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t6100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t30100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t62456</font>, Button folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t99256

hamnegger 01-22-2007 01:46 AM

Re: turning pt in my millions tourn. did i screw up?
 
i hate my play here but my thinking was he knows ive committed half my stack and he still is pushing he knows he has no fold equity (he did bc im a dumb dumb) so he must have ak qq kk or aa.

Cornell Fiji 01-22-2007 01:56 AM

Re: turning pt in my millions tourn. did i screw up?
 
I fold pf in hand 1. AJo is a win a little/lose a lot type hand. Even if you are ahead at this point the hand is not +ev to be overcalling because of the reverse implied odds



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Raising and then folding getting 3.3:1 is pretty bad.

If he has JJ+ then you have 30% equity against him and if he has 99+/AQ+ you are 36% to win. He is on the button and can see your slight overbet as a resteal and 99+/AQ+ is a very reasonable pushing range for him since he can't expect you to be folding getting 3.3:1

It sucks to get your money in as a dog but if you were raising this pf you have to call his push.

Also, your raise was too big. If you are planning a go and go you should have made it 22k leaving yourself with a pot sized bet to push any flop.

Fiksdal 01-22-2007 01:59 AM

Re: turning pt in my millions tourn. did i screw up?
 
Well on the second hand:

When the action comes back to you the last time, the pot contains about t100k, and it costs you t30k to call. Those are 3.3 to 1 pot odds. I think I call with most holdings here. And I certainly instacall with AQ. Remember that it would be +EV to call even if the BB shows you AK or KK.

Looshius 01-22-2007 02:24 AM

Re: turning pt in my millions tourn. did i screw up?
 
First one I don't really like calling raises with AJo, but that's my preference. This hand doesn't bother me that much as you didn't invest much.

Second hand: you absolutely cannot bet that much and then fold. You simply cannot justify raising half your stack and then folding. Might as well just have called and hoped for the best than playing shortstacked.

canada_dry 01-22-2007 12:25 PM

Re: turning pt in my millions tourn. did i screw up?
 
Op,

Folding AJ not a bad play at all. At best you are a coinflip, at worst you are dominated. I'd fold.

I think your play on the second hand was bad. Either

(1) GO ALL IN PREFLOP
(2) Call and *Pray* BB doesn't pop it, and if he does fold
(3) Min raise, to let BB KNOW you have a hand.

I prefer 1 or 3. There are pros and cons with both. The all-in may deter medium pairs from calling up to JJ but kills you if BB has QQ+.

The min raise gives some people the motivation to try for FOLD EQUITY with hands like 77 thru JJ, maybe AQs. Alot of players are gamblers. Giving away a third of your stack when you are a coinflip to win is -EV.

Alot of poker is taking chances. Some times it pays, sometimes it doesn't. But putting in half your stack only to fold is foolish, IMO.

Cornell Fiji 01-22-2007 12:38 PM

Re: turning pt in my millions tourn. did i screw up?
 
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Op,

Folding AJ not a bad play at all. At best you are a coinflip, at worst you are dominated. I'd fold.

I think your play on the second hand was bad. Either

(1) GO ALL IN PREFLOP
(2) Call and *Pray* BB doesn't pop it, and if he does fold
(3) Min raise, to let BB KNOW you have a hand.

I prefer 1 or 3. There are pros and cons with both. The all-in may deter medium pairs from calling up to JJ but kills you if BB has QQ+.

The min raise gives some people the motivation to try for FOLD EQUITY with hands like 77 thru JJ, maybe AQs. Alot of players are gamblers. Giving away a third of your stack when you are a coinflip to win is -EV.

Alot of poker is taking chances. Some times it pays, sometimes it doesn't. But putting in half your stack only to fold is foolish, IMO.

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Minraise?

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canada_dry 01-22-2007 12:44 PM

Re: turning pt in my millions tourn. did i screw up?
 
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Minraise?

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You prefer putting in half your stack, then folding?

JesseB_11 01-22-2007 12:48 PM

Re: turning pt in my millions tourn. did i screw up?
 
Your raise preflop is far to0 big, around 20K or so will do the same thing. As played, you have to call the push from bb.

Cornell Fiji 01-22-2007 12:51 PM

Re: turning pt in my millions tourn. did i screw up?
 
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Minraise?

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You prefer putting in half your stack, then folding?

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Who said anything about folding?

22k and then push every flop


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