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OmahaGrinder 01-19-2007 04:28 PM

Clueless about what to do!
 
***** Hand History for Game 5597881326 *****
$25 PL Omaha - Friday, January 19, 15:21:46 ET 2007
Table Table 126573 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 5: UBCMAN ( $33.12 )
Seat 6: IEAIAIO_ ( $41.40 )
Seat 8: dark21 ( $20.03 )
Seat 10: Ayrefik ( $57.95 )
Seat 3: betmaxbluffriver ( $22.70 )
Seat 9: Ruuhkatukka ( $25 )
Seat 1: cunnyhoney ( $27.40 )
Seat 7: da_lance ( $5.75 )
Seat 4: zarathastra1 ( $4.50 )
zarathastra1 posts small blind [$0.10].
UBCMAN posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to betmaxbluffriver [ As 7h Qc Qh ]
IEAIAIO_ calls [$0.25]
>You have options at Table 127272 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 126414 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 127272 (No DP) Table!.
da_lance calls [$0.25]
Ruuhkatukka folds
Ayrefik raises [$1.35]
>You have options at Table 127272 (No DP) Table!.
cunnyhoney folds
MVX66 has joined the table.
betmaxbluffriver calls [$1.35]
zarathastra1 folds
UBCMAN calls [$1.10]
IEAIAIO_ calls [$1.10]
da_lance folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, Ah, Qd ]
UBCMAN checks
>You have options at Table 127272 (No DP) Table!.
IEAIAIO_ checks
Ayrefik bets [$5.50]
>You have options at Table 127272 (No DP) Table!.
betmaxbluffriver folds
UBCMAN folds
>You have options at Table 126509 (No DP) Table!.
IEAIAIO_ folds
>You have options at Table 127272 (No DP) Table!.
Ayrefik does not show cards.
Ayrefik wins $11
>You have options at Table 127272 (No DP) Table!.

k so I flopped middle set Q's great. But this guy raised PF and insta-bet this flop. Now I know I got an A in my hand so it makes the chances he has AA slimer but it's so easy to put him on AA, and if he doesn't have that he must have outs to the str8 and to a flush. I've never read a omaha poker book so that's wy i'm posting here. How often should I be letting middle set go?> I worry about top set when I have middle set alot when he was PF raiser. Can you just directly tell me some advice or link me somewhere with some good info on sets. Thanks!

swope 01-19-2007 05:18 PM

Re: Clueless about what to do!
 
good read, worth dumping. at those limits, pf raise almost invariably means aces. being able to dump middle set under circumstances like this will, im my opinion, save you money.

obviously if not for the ace, repotting to price them out of their flush draw would be standard.

and btw, just cuz you have that A doesnt mean he doesnt have the other two. case cards being in play during plo showdowns is nothing exotic.

OmahaGrinder 01-19-2007 07:41 PM

Re: Clueless about what to do!
 
awesome thanks for clearing that up for me.

skitzofranik 01-19-2007 08:46 PM

Re: Clueless about what to do!
 
I think folding that flop is incredibly nitty unless you have a very good read of the villain. Then again, it is plo25 so i guess it depends on how loose the table is pf

holdme 01-21-2007 02:20 PM

Re: Clueless about what to do!
 
that's super nitty without a read that he's raising almost nothing but aces

guilt_trip 01-21-2007 07:21 PM

Re: Clueless about what to do!
 
Get a read.

Failing that against a complete unknown you should re-pot here. He could have something like AQxx, A6xx, 66xx w or without :diamonds: or some kind of wrap striaght with KJTx w or without :diamonds:. Against a decent range its worth getting it all in in this spot. He could even just be repping AAxx since he was the PFR he could be cbetting trying to rep AAxx (although this is probably the least likely case)

If he has AAxx, then well bad luck.

OmahaGrinder 01-21-2007 08:31 PM

Re: Clueless about what to do!
 
How often should I be to comfortably fold this hand on the flop? and how often should i be repoting, putting him not on AA. Vs an unknown this is so common in PLO 25$.. raise Aces PF, potbet flop till its unsafe...

grizy 01-22-2007 12:56 AM

Re: Clueless about what to do!
 
4 people on teh flop. Unless you know he's crazy, you're in for a coin flip at best.

grizy 01-22-2007 02:08 AM

Re: Clueless about what to do!
 
And oh... who would actually bluff into that insanely drawy board without the goods?

iggymcfly 01-22-2007 07:11 AM

Re: Clueless about what to do!
 
You have to be a huge nit to fold middle set with an ace blocker here. You're only beaten by the two case aces, and you could easily be up against a wrap, a naked flush draw, two pair, etc. It's not even like you're deep. You've got < 100 BB on the table in a pot that was reraised PF. Just get your chips in the middle.


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