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mariachiinc 01-17-2007 05:58 PM

4/180 AQ button play...
 
How's my play here... Villain seems very fishy... kind of a calling station, not much of a read on his play as I'm multitabling.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t200 with t25 antes (8 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t12015)
UTG+1 (t13509)
MP1 (t4383)
MP2 (t3085)
CO (t3461)
Hero (t3705)
SB (t4935)
BB (t7283)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls t200, UTG+1 calls t200, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t800</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, BB calls t600, UTG calls t600, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>

Flop: (t2900) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets t200</font>, Hero calls t200, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

Turn: (t3300) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">UTG bets t200</font>, Hero calls t200

River: (t3700) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">UTG bets t200</font>, Hero calls t200

Supwithbates 01-17-2007 06:18 PM

Re: 4/180 AQ button play...
 
without much of a read this is tough to make a play on. If you've seen him fold to aggression, raising flop is fine, but your line works too. I generally play the same way... he's giving you insane pot odds to chase with overs. I especially like the river call... you were calling for express, not implied odds, and raising when an ace comes is unlikely to get called by much you beat.

In my experience he generally has like 55 here

zoobird 01-17-2007 07:10 PM

Re: 4/180 AQ button play...
 
Easy push preflop. Your M=7 and you've got a chance to increase your stack by 25% if everyone folds. Limpers are showing weakness, and only two people left to act who could wake up with a monster.

mariachiinc 01-17-2007 08:12 PM

Re: 4/180 AQ button play...
 
No, I would only be adding 13% to my stack if everyone folds... But I am dominated by ak, aa, kk, qq and slightly behind with any other pair... I still have 18bb, personally I'd rather push w/22 than aq.

I don't mind pushing but I'm don't think it's the best play... would like more opinions on this...

betgo 01-17-2007 11:15 PM

Re: 4/180 AQ button play...
 
I don't mind preflop, but I would atleast make it 1000 with 2 limpers. You could also push.

I would push the flop and push the turn as played. Villain could be trapping with the donkbet, but you have good semibluffs.

As played, I probably raise the river.

ItalianFX 01-17-2007 11:25 PM

Re: 4/180 AQ button play...
 
Preflop: Raise to 1000.

Flop: I'd probably fold here. This could be either him probing to see if you have a big hand (where you would raise) or overcards, where you call down. In this case, I think he is pretty sure he knows what you have (unless he's not even paying attention). Another possibility is that he is milking you, which I don't think is the case. I think the odds are way too good though. He could also be betting a flushdraw here in hopes that he hits on the turn or river, like a blocking bet.

Turn: I think a push could be argued here. Donk hasn't been showing any strength, but I'd still be careful. Odds are huge, so I call again with the overcards and the nutflushdraw.

River: Good card, getting too good of odds to fold no matter how much you think you are beat because the Donk is playing dumb. I call here too.

zoobird 01-18-2007 06:57 AM

Re: 4/180 AQ button play...
 
How is 200 (one limper) + 200 (another limper) + 100 (sb) + 200 (bb) + 200 (8 antes of 25 each) only 12% of 3700? Unless my math is way off, 900 is just barely under 25% of 3700. In my opinion, that's enough to make this a push. If you raise 1000 as others are advocating, you're putting 1/4 of your stack in preflop with a hand that's not a monster and may be tough to play postflop. That's something I pretty much never want to do. If someone has one of the 4 hands that dominate you here, that's life...its going to happen infrequently enough (particularly since all except two players have already shown that they're probably weak) that its well worth the risk.

dcviperboy 01-18-2007 01:00 PM

Re: 4/180 AQ button play...
 
I would raise the flop again. You showed strength preflop, had a call and then a crap bet from the original limper. To me this indicates a draw or a low pocket pair. If you raise the flop and he calls, I think you can get away from it losing less than if he, like a better player, had increased his bets turn and river. This is also why i almost always lose when people limp KK or AA. I hate it. Period. The end.


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