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ASmith84 01-15-2007 10:42 PM

(100NL) 3bet with KJs flops TPTK.. aggro villain
 
I stackadonked villain 7-8 minutes prior to this with 99vsKK on a 9AQ2A board. Had been raising a lot since then and won $30 without going to showdown, but nothing really crazy. I've 3bet them 4-5 times, mostly uncontested.. but not the hand in which I stacked him. I decided to take an alternate line and check over TPTK but after only calling his turn bet I have no idea where I stand. Anyone think I should have raised there for information? I can't really put him on anything I beat after I called his pot sized turn bet.

Villain is 38/11/3 over 100 hands

Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00)
Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: BTN ($146.90)
Seat 2: SB ($15.00)
Seat 3: BB ($123.00)
Seat 4: UTG ($104.00)
Seat 5: Villain(MP) ($130.00)
Seat 6: Hero(CO) ($328.60)
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SB: posts the small blind $0.50
BB: posts the big blind $1.00
--- DEALING POCKETS
Hero is dealt [J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
UTG: folds
Villain: raises $2.00 to $3.00
Hero: raises $9.00 to $12.00
BTN: folds
SB: folds
BB: folds
Villain: calls $9.00
--- DEALING FLOP [J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [Pot=$25.50]
Villain: checks
Hero: checks
--- DEALING TURN [2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] [Pot=$25.50]
Villain: bets $22.00
Hero: calls $22.00
--- DEALING RIVER [4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] [Pot=$79.50]
Villain: bets $65.00

ASmith84 01-16-2007 09:28 AM

Re: (100NL) 3bet with KJs flops TPTK.. aggro villain
 
Bump for morning crowd.

Ranma4703 01-16-2007 09:54 AM

Re: (100NL) 3bet with KJs flops TPTK.. aggro villain
 
Bet flop. Fold river, unless he's seen you call turn like that with AK or AQ.

Freelancer 01-16-2007 10:11 AM

Re: (100NL) 3bet with KJs flops TPTK.. aggro villain
 
Interesting, did he fold preflop before or to your c-bets?

As played you have to fold the river, also you can't really raise the turn.

The only problem is wether to bet the flop or not, if he's been folding to my c-bets I'd probably just c-bet and be done with it and if he's been folding to my 3-bets I'd probably fold on the turn (these guys generally wait for a big hand to c/r on the flop and since he missed bets the turn).

ASmith84 01-16-2007 12:48 PM

Re: (100NL) 3bet with KJs flops TPTK.. aggro villain
 
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Interesting, did he fold preflop before or to your c-bets?

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I c-bet him 4-5 times before this(with better hands) and he folded all but 1 preflop. Here I c-bet him because he raised pflop the last 2-3 hands. I took an alternate line since I didn't want to bloat the pot with a marginal hand(was TPGK, miswrote the title).. was planning to value bet a safe turn(non Q or A).

Freelancer 01-16-2007 12:53 PM

Re: (100NL) 3bet with KJs flops TPTK.. aggro villain
 
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Interesting, did he fold preflop before or to your c-bets?

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I c-bet him 4-5 times before this(with better hands) and he folded all but 1 preflop. Here I c-bet him because he raised pflop the last 2-3 hands. I took an alternate line since I didn't want to bloat the pot with a marginal hand(was TPGK, miswrote the title).. was planning to value bet a safe turn(non Q or A).

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So if I get it right you; 3-bet him 4-5 times and he folded all but 1. That probably means one of two things;
He's ready to play back at you or
He's waiting for big hands to play back at you.

With both of these situations its better to check the flop, calling the turn is fine and folding the river is good as well. I think he shows up with QQ+ a lot here, if its a bluff its a daring one for sure.

ASmith84 01-16-2007 02:20 PM

Re: (100NL) 3bet with KJs flops TPTK.. aggro villain
 
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Interesting, did he fold preflop before or to your c-bets?

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I c-bet him 4-5 times before this(with better hands) and he folded all but 1 preflop. Here I c-bet him because he raised pflop the last 2-3 hands. I took an alternate line since I didn't want to bloat the pot with a marginal hand(was TPGK, miswrote the title).. was planning to value bet a safe turn(non Q or A).

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So if I get it right you; 3-bet him 4-5 times and he folded all but 1. That probably means one of two things;
He's ready to play back at you or
He's waiting for big hands to play back at you.

With both of these situations its better to check the flop, calling the turn is fine and folding the river is good as well. I think he shows up with QQ+ a lot here, if its a bluff its a daring one for sure.

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Yeah you're right on. I was writing while 3 tabling so it might have come out jumbled. I did end up folding the river. He overplayed KK before against me which I noted but without any reads on this aggression I felt I could pick a better spot to get my $$ in. I figured he was more so ready to play back at me rather than waiting for a hand, but I didn't do anything besides 3bet to warrant that aggression with anything less than QQ IMO.


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