60: WTF U STOLE MY CHIPLEAD GIVE IT BACK
 

UTG 1900
CO 1000
Hero 3750
SB 4250
BB 2600

First hand of level, blinds 250/500 no antes
SB elminated a player on previous hand calling a 1700 shove from the 400 big blind with AJ, ruining the perfect table setup of a bunch of even stacks with me with 2x pwning. Hero has been semi-active, but nothing over the top. BB has been very tight, folding away from a t4000 stack early.

UTG Folds
CO Folds
Hero is dealt 23o
Hero XXXXXXXX

Case for pushing: Winning the blinds makes us chipleader. With all stacks under 10bb, and 2nd to our direct left having to worry about shorties folding behind him on every hand this will be very advantageous. If we don't push and SB does and wins the pot, any subsequent shove from us will not give us the chiplead. This will keep us from stealing a lot of blinds, and let SB pretty much pwn the table while we dwindle away.

Case for folding: WTF you have nothing and you're pushing through the only guy who can bust you? If you let him dominate the bubble you are still probably going to finish ITM. Fold and get 3rd and hope for 2nd or to pick up a big hand.

Also, if you don't push here, what's your range for pushing?

Re: 60: WTF U STOLE MY CHIPLEAD GIVE IT BACK
 

Well presented cases.

I would also be concerned about the likelihood of (Not just the SB) but also the BB calling. If I were him, I would consider your push as standard steal against middle stack.

In theory, I like the idea of pushing with a low-medium suited connector (6-7, 7-8, 8-9 but not lower) rather than an easily dominated Paint-weak kicker combo.

But all-in-all, I think the hand is just a bit to weak too risk your tourney.

Re: 60: WTF U STOLE MY CHIPLEAD GIVE IT BACK
 

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Case for folding: WTF you have nothing and you're pushing through the only guy who can bust you? If you let him dominate the bubble you are still probably going to finish ITM. Fold and get 3rd and hope for 2nd or to pick up a big hand.

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I think you're overly pessimistic about your chances if you let the guy on your left get the chiplead.

You're still close enough to him to threaten his continuation - if he calls a push from you, although he doesn't bust out immediately, he will be crippled.

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Also, if you don't push here, what's your range for pushing?

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Without running it through SNGPT, my feel is something along the lines of:
A6+
K9+
QT+
22+


There are still 5 players left, and I don't think you need to get desperate yet.

Re: 60: WTF U STOLE MY CHIPLEAD GIVE IT BACK
 

this hand is not the one..I say just fold

Re: 60: WTF U STOLE MY CHIPLEAD GIVE IT BACK
 

i like your idea. if both mid stacks are solid players, then they shouldn't mess with you without a big pair. let the pwnage begin!

Re: 60: WTF U STOLE MY CHIPLEAD GIVE IT BACK
 

Charge it

Re: 60: WTF U STOLE MY CHIPLEAD GIVE IT BACK
 

i dont know. i dont like playing super exploitable especially if the two stacks after me are owned by a regular. id need something slightly better here than 100%

Re: 60: WTF U STOLE MY CHIPLEAD GIVE IT BACK
 

I can't imagine pushing this is a good idea.

Ryan

Re: 60: WTF U STOLE MY CHIPLEAD GIVE IT BACK
 

id have to fold this hand. i dont have a perfect range off the top of my head but definitely not bottom 10%.