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guilt_trip 01-09-2007 12:56 PM

PLO200: Bluff this spot
 
Villian seemed solid. His 3bet range isnt just AAxx but may include some solid ds rundown hands.

They know I'll call 3bets liberally with marginal hands to flop big and cash in

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $71
CO: $27.60
Hero: $191.30
SB: $202.40
BB: $200.60

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $22</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($45, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $45</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $169.3</font>

Thought?

CrushinFelt 01-09-2007 01:00 PM

Re: PLO200: Bluff this spot
 
Kinda nasty. You have to have reads on his c-bet range here as well (i.e. does he nearly always c-bet the flop after 3-betting preflop). I don't hate this play, but it has to be the right opponent.

AjiNoMo 01-09-2007 01:26 PM

Re: PLO200: Bluff this spot
 
Standard against most opponents. Question is do you have the image of raise/call pf with medium low rundown cards?
Guess u took down the pot right there.

glass_onion 01-09-2007 01:57 PM

Re: PLO200: Bluff this spot
 
wait, wait, wait,

so your range on him is that he almost certaitnly has AA or DS rundown hands. That means he almost certaintly has you crushed. His lead out pot tends to confirm this.

I suspect you were up against at worst 2 pair and a draw, but most likely a flopped st8 here.

Professorn 01-09-2007 02:24 PM

Re: PLO200: Bluff this spot
 
[ QUOTE ]
wait, wait, wait,

so your range on him is that he almost certaitnly has AA or DS rundown hands. That means he almost certaintly has you crushed. His lead out pot tends to confirm this.

I suspect you were up against at worst 2 pair and a draw, but most likely a flopped st8 here.

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Naaah this is monsters under the bed, I think you did a good play against the player you described. The big question is, what is his read against you, can he put you on a bluff and make a good call often enough?

guilt_trip 01-09-2007 03:01 PM

Re: PLO200: Bluff this spot
 
[ QUOTE ]
wait, wait, wait,

so your range on him is that he almost certaitnly has AA or DS rundown hands. That means he almost certaintly has you crushed. His lead out pot tends to confirm this.

I suspect you were up against at worst 2 pair and a draw, but most likely a flopped st8 here.

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I said he COULD have a ds rundown hand. But mostly his 3bet range will be AAxxds as normal

Plus alot of people will autopot flops OOP with AAxx to try and take it down. Or he could have missed and try and bluff ME out

Professorn 01-09-2007 03:18 PM

Re: PLO200: Bluff this spot
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
wait, wait, wait,

so your range on him is that he almost certaitnly has AA or DS rundown hands. That means he almost certaintly has you crushed. His lead out pot tends to confirm this.

I suspect you were up against at worst 2 pair and a draw, but most likely a flopped st8 here.

[/ QUOTE ]

I said he COULD have a ds rundown hand. But mostly his 3bet range will be AAxxds as normal

Plus alot of people will autopot flops OOP with AAxx to try and take it down. Or he could have missed and try and bluff ME out

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I am absolutely with you on this one, but as I said earlier, it's really important what kind of reads your opponent has on you, and your image at the table.

jhall23 01-09-2007 03:48 PM

Re: PLO200: Bluff this spot
 
Assuming this guy is not one of those fools that never folds AA after RR'ing PF, I think it is ok assuming he bets most of the time on the flop and you have a non aggro tard image.

Against an unknown I would probabally not try this as I find there are too many people that go to far after RR'ing pre.

When called proceed to hit that runner runner flush!

cmyr 01-09-2007 03:49 PM

Re: PLO200: Bluff this spot
 
he's getting 2:1 to call, doubt he's going to laydown anything that has you beat. Calling this 'standard against most opponents' is innane.

shpongled 01-09-2007 05:26 PM

Re: PLO200: Bluff this spot
 
Agreed, I would pretty much never bluff here. He knows you could just as easily be raising with a draw and he's getting good odds to call with AA or any decent draw himself.


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