2 pair vs. hotmark, facing a 4-bet on the turn
 

Background:

He's been his usual very aggressive self, and before this hand has been pushing me around a bit. He's probably gotten me off the best hand a couple of times with big raises, and may view me as weak postflop. Hotmark is the cutoff.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $3836.80
UTG+1: $2030
MP1: $2321
MP2: $2639
MP3: $2844
CO: $4587.40
Button: $4282
SB: $2831
Hero: $2814.60

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
5 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $77.7</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($165.4, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($165.4, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $150</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $450</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1150</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises all-in $4509.7</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero ???</font>.

Re: 2 pair vs. hotmark, facing a 4-bet on the turn
 

lol fullringaments

Re: 2 pair vs. hotmark, facing a 4-bet on the turn
 

I think I just call the turn. Too likely you've run into QK or JJ or something. But then again he's been pushing you around a lot.. soo.. I think if your going to 3-bet him on the turn you are going to have to call a push.

Re: 2 pair vs. hotmark, facing a 4-bet on the turn
 

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I think if your going to 3-bet him on the turn you are going to have to call a push.

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this is silly: a 3-bet is bad but calling the push would be even worse.

Re: 2 pair vs. hotmark, facing a 4-bet on the turn
 

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this is silly: a 3-bet is bad but calling the push would be even worse.

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these were my thoughts, but i have never played w/ hotmark or play full ring.

Re: 2 pair vs. hotmark, facing a 4-bet on the turn
 

Like you say, Hotmark is usually very aggressive, so let him bet. On the turn, there is $160 in the pot and you have almost $3000 in your stack, so you might not want to try getting it all in with two pair [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]. Calling his $450 raise and check-calling river seems reasonable, since he is fully capable of bluffing river with a busted flush draw/nothing.

Re: 2 pair vs. hotmark, facing a 4-bet on the turn
 

I was going to post this hand also, good playing with you. I will give my ideas after you post results

Re: 2 pair vs. hotmark, facing a 4-bet on the turn
 

fold he has A 10 beat

Re: 2 pair vs. hotmark, facing a 4-bet on the turn
 

It would probably be closer if hero has JJ. Even against hotmark who could be bluffing here with some combodraw(sometimes air?) I would still prefer mucking because with 2p you are drawing very thin and his shove is so big.

Re: 2 pair vs. hotmark, facing a 4-bet on the turn
 

he never just has air here.