PLO100: Wrap on 2-tone flop, do I gas it without the flush draw?
 

I'm playing the mixed PL Holdem/Omaha game on FTP. The action has been very loose and the table was great in holdem, but this is only the fourth Omaha hand. Effective stacks are $100 (100BBs).

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UTG pots, 3 callers, I call, blinds fold.

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UTG pots and there is one caller to me. My gut says that I should be gassing this, but how important is it that I do not have a flush draw?

Re: PLO100: Wrap on 2-tone flop, do I gas it without the flush draw?
 

No one?

Re: PLO100: Wrap on 2-tone flop, do I gas it without the flush draw?
 

Well generally you should be folding this flop. You have 7 nut outs (Ah Ad Ac 9c 9d 8d 8h) and it's not very hard for someone to have a similar draw along with a flush draw. I would usually only play that hand after the flop with a very tight read on my opponent(s) (ie they both have sets). Even then it's not terribly difficult for one of them to have a flush draw as well. HU is a different animal.

Re: PLO100: Wrap on 2-tone flop, do I gas it without the flush draw?
 

I misread this hand too. 8's don't count so he has only 5 nut outs. This is the problem with underwraps, half your outs are not to the nuts.

I would usually call here with position, but Rempel is right you should be thinking more about folding than raising.

Re: PLO100: Wrap on 2-tone flop, do I gas it without the flush draw?
 

I gotta stop replying to posts at the tail end of 15 hour sessions.

Re: PLO100: Wrap on 2-tone flop, do I gas it without the flush draw?
 

Yikes. Guess I got pretty lucky. I potted, first guy shoved, second guy called, and I called.

One Had JJKx and the other had KKJx, lol. Got very lucky that they both had sets and they both took up some of their redraw outs.

On a side point, shouldn't the player who was caught in the middle be raising when UTG leads into him? There are a ton of turn cards he's not going to like.

Re: PLO100: Wrap on 2-tone flop, do I gas it without the flush draw?
 

Sweet. I am changing my answer to shove all day long.

I'm raising with middle set here almost everytime.

Re: PLO100: Wrap on 2-tone flop, do I gas it without the flush draw?
 

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Sorry should have included the results [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I'm raising with middle set here almost everytime.

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Assuming that the player caught in the middle was semi-sane and therefore likely does not have JJxx, this is more of an argument for me NOT to pot this, right?

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Assuming that the player caught in the middle was semi-sane and therefore likely does not have JJxx, this is more of an argument for me NOT to pot this, right?

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I think so. He is most likely on a draw and that devalues your hand.

Of course you might be in a set over set situation with no flush draw out so its time to stack your friends [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Yikes. Guess I got pretty lucky. I potted, first guy shoved, second guy called, and I called.

One Had JJKx and the other had KKJx, lol. Got very lucky that they both had sets and they both took up some of their redraw outs.

On a side point, shouldn't the player who was caught in the middle be raising when UTG leads into him? There are a ton of turn cards he's not going to like.

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I will occaisionally see a turn card without potting middle or top set (ie calling like mr JJ here). Depends on the moooooood.