8/b-Facing a possible move from the Loose Imaginative BI
 

Seat 8 is the type of player to make this c/r with a small pair and a 7-low draw. How might you have played this differently?

7 Card Stud High-Low ($10/$20), Ante $1, Bring-In $3 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 7: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls

4th Street - (4.80 SB)

Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (4.40 BB)

Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___calls
Seat 7: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___calls___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___raises

6th Street - (12.40 BB)

Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

River - (16.40 BB)

Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___raises
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___bets___calls

Total pot: (22.40 BB)

Re: 8/b-Facing a possible move from the Loose Imaginative BI
 

Fold 3rd. Fold 4th. 5th looks OK. River is borderline call/fold.

Re: 8/b-Facing a possible move from the Loose Imaginative BI
 

You never should have been in that hand. I say fold on 3rd.

Re: 8/b-Facing a possible move from the Loose Imaginative BI
 

you and betgo wouldn't play this with live 7's and 4's and no aces on board?

Re: 8/b-Facing a possible move from the Loose Imaginative BI
 

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you and betgo wouldn't play this with live 7's and 4's and no aces on board?

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Well, Stud 8 isn't my game of choice but maybe I'd stay on 3rd if I wouldn't have to call a raise. But, I'd still fold on 4th regardless.

One of the 7's is dead already.

Re: 8/b-Facing a possible move from the Loose Imaginative BI
 

the real problem with playing this hand is that your eight is showing and that is a huge disadvantage because now ppl can really push you around and put you in some tough spots (as they did)

Re: 8/b-Facing a possible move from the Loose Imaginative BI
 

Folding third here would be pretty dumb. The 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] almost never has 3 low cards here so the only person you have to worry about is the bringin. This time it looked like he might actually have had a decent hand, these things happen. Everything is fine up until the river where I can make myself fold when we're faced with a raise.

Re: 8/b-Facing a possible move from the Loose Imaginative BI
 

3rd is marginal, 8-7 lows especially lead to trouble. I'd probably fold but calling may be ok if you know when to ditch. The 8 up is also trouble.
4th is a fold. If you both catch good on 5th, they are right to stay in, and you have only a terrible one way low draw. Without the straight draw, get out.
5th... with your read you have to stay in, otherwise I would fold.

River is marginal, although it looks like you were right. You are almost always throwing away bets here, but when the BI goes crazy you have to call more than usual.

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you and betgo wouldn't play this with live 7's and 4's and no aces on board?

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I assume you mean 6's, which are completely live. In any case, 8-7 lows have huge reverse implied odds in multiway pots.

Re: 8/b-Facing a possible move from the Loose Imaginative BI
 

How can you say he almost never has a three low

Re: 8/b-Facing a possible move from the Loose Imaginative BI
 

thanks, all your points are well taken concerning the weakness of the hand; i should have mucked in this agressive game with the 8 up.