$1050+50 Sng Hand History + Theoretical Question
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Hero (t3570)
CO (t1510)
Button (t1800)
SB (t1305)
BB (t2285)
UTG (t1450)
MP1 (t1580)

Preflop:
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1800</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls t1210 (All-In).

Final Pot: t3460

My question for the forum is, what are the low end of the hand ranges you'd expect a fairly tight, solid regular to push with in this spot against another player with a similar style? For example: (55, ATs, KQs)

Also, getting about 1.9 to 1, what hand ranges would you be willing to call with as the original raiser, based on the hypothetical range you've given your opponent?

I'll add my thoughts later if this thread goes anywhere.

Re: $1050+50 Sng Hand History + Theoretical Question
 

no one cares about your silly $1000 tourneys lolol

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no one cares about your silly $1000 tourneys lolol

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it was just posted on a sunday night when every is dead on the couch i guess, im gonna take a look

Re: $1050+50 Sng Hand History + Theoretical Question
 

I haven't done too much thought yet, except you're not getting 1.9:1 you're getting 1.567 to 1 which is a pretty substantial difference.

edit: whoops i thought we were the CO with our 3570 stack for some reason

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i didnt put as much thought into this as i could/would have, but off the bat id say the lower end of a reshoving range with your description would probably bottom out at 55/66 and ATs. I would not expect KQ in this spot usually (if this was a button open and a blind confrontation id give more credit to worse holdings)


To call a reshove I would probably need 88+, AQ+ if i figured that the reshover had a decent handle on an opening range.


and this is still pretty read dependent, if either player knows of any reasonably stealing tendencies than that could significantly change the picture

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Hero (t3570)
CO (t1510)
Button (t1800)
SB (t1305)
BB (t2285)
UTG (t1450)
MP1 (t1580)

Preflop:
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1800</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls t1210 (All-In).

Final Pot: t3460

My question for the forum is, what are the low end of the hand ranges you'd expect a fairly tight, solid regular to push with in this spot against another player with a similar style? For example: (55, ATs, KQs)

Also, getting about <font color="red"> 1.6 </font> to 1, what hand ranges would you be willing to call with as the original raiser, based on the hypothetical range you've given your opponent?

I'll add my thoughts later if this thread goes anywhere.

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FYP

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i didnt put as much thought into this as i could/would have, but off the bat id say the lower end of a reshoving range with your description would probably bottom out at 55/66 and ATs. I would not expect KQ in this spot usually (if this was a button open and a blind confrontation id give more credit to worse holdings)


To call a reshove I would probably need 88+, AQ+ if i figured that the reshover had a decent handle on an opening range.


and this is still pretty read dependent, if either player knows of any reasonably stealing tendencies than that could significantly change the picture

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Hugely read-dependent, but you don't have any particular reason to play a medium-strength hand here given the stack size situation, so I'd think you'd be pretty tight, and then if he realizes that, he should be real tight on his resteal, like 99+ AQ+ or tighter, which means then you need like QQ+ AK to call. Something like that, anyway, I don't feel like running the exact numbers, remember you have to take ICM into account also. But this all changes quite a bit based on reads, of course, and whether either you or he makes light steal attempts sometimes.

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I would expect the two ranges you are asking for to be quite similar. Given the position of the raiser, the pusher might have legit hands like 66,AKo,AQs and some mix of medium suited connectors (but not too many). Given the odds, the original raiser might call with whatever legit hands he has in the pusher's range.

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I would expect the two ranges you are asking for to be quite similar. Given the position of the raiser, the pusher might have legit hands like 66,AKo,AQs and some mix of medium suited connectors (but not too many). Given the odds, the original raiser might call with whatever legit hands he has in the pusher's range.

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Um, no. See "gap" and "ICM". Throw in Harrington's zones for good measure. That is all.

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umm, if IIII am raising, im not folding to a shove, so im definitely not shoving 55-88 or AT/AJ/KQ really on myself. though.. in the 1ks, everyone else is retarded, and will shove like J7o on the button here.. so its really hard to say what the 'tight/solid' regulars do. holla