flop peeling
 

pretty good live 20/40 game

middle position raiser, coldcallers and i call in the bb. 5 way action

the flop is 3 4 8 rainbow.

PFR bets. call. fold. sb calls. and i am closing the action getting 13:1.

i hold KQ with no bdfd
i hold AJo with no bdfd.

secondly, what is the worst hand you see yourself peeling here.

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peel

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I call with the AJ and not the KQ because of the backdoor wheel. I'd probably peel JTo here thinking I'm more likely to be live and the other backdoor straight is possible so I guess that's the worst hand I can think of I'd peel with.

-DeathDonkey

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how much more equity do you gain by your backdoor wheel? and how often are you going to just chop if you hit it or in the disaster case scenerio, lose to a 6? i think aj is more of a fold than kq because of domination and/or reverse domination so likely. (don't ask me to define "so likely" because i honestly don't know, but if *feels* like a pretty significant number) with kq, you are not likely to be reverse dominated on this board.

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i think aj is more of a fold than kq because of ... reverse domination

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This is true and discussed somewhere in 2p2 books. In this hand you may have to worry about both reverse dominatin from the coldcallers as well as domination from the pfr.

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I´m virtually always peeling with KQo here. With AJo it´ll depend, but if I had to guess I´d say I peel most of the time on average.

I don´t know what sense of ¨worst hand¨ you mean, but first thing that came to mind was 97s.

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What is reverse domination?This is a new one on me.

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I routinely fold those hands here having called a raise out of the blinds because domination problems mutli-way also could effect the amount of live cards I'm drawing too.

Hand to peel closing it at 13-1? Maybe something like A6s-A7s trying to pick up a gut shot fl draw on turn.

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What is reverse domination?This is a new one on me.

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AJ v A3 on a 349A board.