Two flop folds (Commerce 20)
 

Pretty damn good Sunday afternoon game at the Commerce 20/40.

Hand 1

I came back from the restroom and had just missed my BB, so I bought the button. I was the only blind.

Folded around to an unremarkable guy in the cutoff. He hasn't been there too long, but he doesn't seem too LAG or TAG or whatever. Just sits there folding, calling, and betting, and usually sighing between hands.

He raises, button folds, and I 3-bet with KQ. He calls.

Flop comes AA6. I bet, he raises, I fold.


Hand 2

Two people are sitting out, so we're currently seven-handed. UTG folds, a tight, solid Commerce pro limps in EP. (For those of you know may know, he's the guy who sort of looks like a nerdy Kevin Bacon; with glasses, a ball cap, and a goatee). Folded around to the SB, who also folds.

I check my BB option with A7o. (?)

Flop comes A63r. I bet, he raises, I fold. (??)

Re: Two flop folds (Commerce 20)
 

First hand: $190 in the pot. It's more likely he's got a pocket pair than an ace, I'd take one off to see if I could catch a king or queen on the turn. He might just check behind on the turn too, giving you two chances to win.

Second hand: Since it's your blind, he can't really put you on much. Given that, I sure wouldn't give up on the flop. One would think that, short-hadned, he's have raised pre-flop with a hand he'd play that contained an ace. I'd likely have check-raised that flop. Given you bet out, I'd have 3-bet and bet the turn. If he raises you there, you can reevaluate.

Re: Two flop folds (Commerce 20)
 

I think the first hand is way more justifiable than the second.

First villian shouldn't be the type to think "There are TWO aces out there, he doesn't have one my sevens are good," so you won't fold a hand with real outs too often. BUT, I also think that if this read is accurate, it's probably not that important to put the extra bet in preflop, because he's not stealing the blinds here and your probably not giving much up.

I'm on the opposite coast, so I don't know who the second villian is, but he should be raising most hands that are beating you in a seven handed game. 33 is a definite possibility, but I want a bit more information before I'm ready to just give up here. The pot is small so you're certainly not giving up much, but if he's decent, he should know that that means you are bet/folding your second and third pairs here.

-Blake

Re: Two flop folds (Commerce 20)
 

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Second hand: Since it's your blind, he can't really put you on much. Given that, I sure wouldn't give up on the flop. One would think that, short-hadned, he's have raised pre-flop with a hand he'd play that contained an ace. I'd likely have check-raised that flop. Given you bet out, I'd have 3-bet and bet the turn. If he raises you there, you can reevaluate.

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This seems like a lot of action without much of a kicker. The pot is really small when I bet out -- 3 SBs, so I wasn't sure if he would bother trying to put a move on in such a tiny pot. Also, I think he might be limping any Axs in EP (and I only beat A5, A4, and A2). Not sure how he plays ATo in EP 7-handed. He definitely raises AJ/AQ/AK.

I dunno, it seems like if I'm behind I have 0-3 outs. If I'm ahead, then meh... I folded the winner. But in a 3 SB pot, I don't think it's such a big loss, is it?

As for hand 1, I think you make a good point. He could be raising a PP, though hopefully you remember how generally passive the Commerce 20 is, and that my PF 3-bet usually means at least PP or a big A to those people. The other thing I was worried about was catching a K or Q and still be drawing dead.

Re: Two flop folds (Commerce 20)
 

yeah, the first two responses you got were right on. The fold in the second hand is mind-boggling. I don't really like the lead out line either.

Re: Two flop folds (Commerce 20)
 

I want to peel one in hand one. Pot is good sized and good chance you can win with a K or Q and that he checks teh turn behind for a free card.

I probably go into call down mode on hand 2. Don't really like the fold at all.

Re: Two flop folds (Commerce 20)
 

Hand 2 is a classic WA/WB situation on this uncoordinated board. It's okay just to check-calldown the whole way. If I do bet out, it's because I want to make it look like a cheap stab at the pot and induce action. You definitely shouldn't fold once you induce that action. There's also a small chance that you have the best kicker if he's limping with suited aces.

Hand 1 is so player and situation dependent that I don't think any advice you get in this forum will trump the read you had at the time.

Re: Two flop folds (Commerce 20)
 

Hand 1 is fine, as long as you are betting out when you do have the ace there.

Hand 2, this fold is pretty bad. At worst, check call down. I would probably check-call the turn and then lead the river.

Re: Two flop folds (Commerce 20)
 

I like Nate's assesment of Hand 2 quite a bit.

Re: Two flop folds (Commerce 20)
 

For hand 2, Sklansky has advised, in the past, playing it "like a little girl" and calling down.