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climber 11-11-2006 10:15 PM

Any other way to play this monster pot?
 
MP3 is 57/12
CO is 22/15
Button is 27/8
SB is 36/17

Full Tilt Poker ($5/$10 Limit Hold'em) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
MP2 folds, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

I expect I'm closing the action getting 9:1 and hey you gotta flop broadway occasionally right--plus these guys prob suck. Since I'm so good at the pokers I call.

Flop: (25.5 SB) [Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, CO calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (26.75 BB) [Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, CO calls, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, CO folds, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls, SB calls.

River: (49.75 BB) [Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

I'm not sure what is wrong with the converter--pot is $301.50 after rake at the end. so 30BB.

Leader 11-11-2006 10:26 PM

Re: Any other way to play this monster pot?
 
I don't really know why you would lead the flop there. I mean it would have to be for value and I'm not to sure it is given the nature of the board and the action so far. As to the river, you'll see AK/KT/T9 enough to call get 30-1.

Mossberg 11-11-2006 10:34 PM

Re: Any other way to play this monster pot?
 
I agree with Leader about the flop lead. It doesn't seem right to me at all.

River call is fine.

climber 11-11-2006 10:36 PM

Re: Any other way to play this monster pot?
 
I lead the flop to hopefully face the Button and CO with 2-3 bets--not that that prob matters but I figured I'd give it a shot.

Leader 11-11-2006 10:48 PM

Re: Any other way to play this monster pot?
 
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I lead the flop to hopefully face the Button and CO with 2-3 bets--not that that prob matters but I figured I'd give it a shot.

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Your goal seems to be to knock people out. If I have no chance to win a pot UI then I'd rather keep everyone in with a draw. You can't really make a case for cleaning up outs here because the parlay would be pretty rare. i.e. MP raises your bet. CO has AK and folds. I guess there's some deception value to a bet, but I don't think it's enough.

nickg1532 11-11-2006 11:32 PM

Re: Any other way to play this monster pot?
 
jesus christ, did you puke when you saw that river?

anyways, i agree with leader on all counts. i would usually just check/call or check/raise the flop, depending on how many opponents were coming along (although i don't think the flop lead is really all that bad)

as for river, you know you can't fold getting 30:1

Flintoff 11-11-2006 11:33 PM

Re: Any other way to play this monster pot?
 
Beautiful river card for ya

gehrig 11-11-2006 11:39 PM

Re: Any other way to play this monster pot?
 
flop lead is TERRIBLE. you have no shot of winning without a showdown so you want everyone to see the turn. implied odds ===moneystuffs

rest of the hand is pretty easy.

inferno 11-12-2006 07:44 AM

Re: Any other way to play this monster pot?
 
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flop lead is TERRIBLE. you have no shot of winning without a showdown so you want everyone to see the turn. implied odds ===moneystuffs

rest of the hand is pretty easy.

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Its far from terrible, I think its the right play since you want to build a pot for your draw. Not leading with a draw is terrible

StellarWind 11-12-2006 08:21 AM

Re: Any other way to play this monster pot?
 
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Its far from terrible, I think its the right play since you want to build a pot for your draw. Not leading with a draw is terrible

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It's pretty bad. Leading into the PFR doesn't build the pot, it allows him to confront the field with two bets and drive people out. People who are likely drawing dead to the hand you hope to make.

Checkraising might be good if you could catch enough people. The K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] acts as an insurance policy against the possible flush.


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