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Chairman Wood 11-06-2006 06:32 PM

Economics: Removing Zeros from Currency Causes Inflation?
 
A while back I was having a conversation with a friend of mine who has much more knowledge then me in Economics. This was a while ago so I might have things confused. I was telling him about South Korea and how their currency the Won is in a position where 1000 Won is worth slightly more than $1USD. I stated that it might be easier if they just removed a zero(or more) because no one ever uses the last holding. He told me that when countries do this with their currency in causes inflation.

Am I remembering what he said correctly or is this completely wrong?

Also why does this cause inflation?

hmkpoker 11-06-2006 06:59 PM

Re: Economics: Removing Zeros from Currency Causes Inflation?
 
My guess would be that businesses are more likely to round their prices up to the nearest unit than down. Like if they get rid of the penny and have to round to the nickel, things that cost $1.77 will go up to $1.80.

It probably doesn't matter much to the average consumer. The only place it matters is in a large market, where large numbers of very small shares are being purchased. Fortunately in these situations we treat dollars and cents as indefinately divisible and just round to the nearest unit upon completion of the total sum of transactions. Happens with gas too, notice how gas stations charge you weird prices like $1.97 9/10?

FortunaMaximus 11-06-2006 07:01 PM

Re: Economics: Removing Zeros from Currency Causes Inflation?
 
Psychologial, I suspect. It's been tried in Mexico, and Russia.

I'm not sure the inflation isn't simply already on an upswing when this measure is done anyway. In the case of those two instances, it was an runaway inflatory effect, IIRC.

Chairman Wood 11-06-2006 07:32 PM

Re: Economics: Removing Zeros from Currency Causes Inflation?
 
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My guess would be that businesses are more likely to round their prices up to the nearest unit than down. Like if they get rid of the penny and have to round to the nickel, things that cost $1.77 will go up to $1.80.

It probably doesn't matter much to the average consumer. The only place it matters is in a large market, where large numbers of very small shares are being purchased. Fortunately in these situations we treat dollars and cents as indefinately divisible and just round to the nearest unit upon completion of the total sum of transactions. Happens with gas too, notice how gas stations charge you weird prices like $1.97 9/10?

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This does make sense and probably contributes to at least some of it but I think that he was talking about something on a greater scale then just this. At least an order of magnitude or more.

Chairman Wood 11-06-2006 07:37 PM

Re: Economics: Removing Zeros from Currency Causes Inflation?
 
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Psychologial, I suspect. It's been tried in Mexico, and Russia.

I'm not sure the inflation isn't simply already on an upswing when this measure is done anyway. In the case of those two instances, it was an runaway inflatory effect, IIRC.

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Could be right. He did cite those two countries as examples. I remember him saying that this did CAUSE higher inflation though. He of course could be wrong and doesn't understand the whole cause/coorelation difference. But I do think that is unlikely. I don't know I'll try to find out.

FortunaMaximus 11-06-2006 07:41 PM

Re: Economics: Removing Zeros from Currency Causes Inflation?
 
You could compare the trend lines of those two currencies pre and post changeover with, say, the Argentine peso, which did also suffer a severe runaway inflationary effect fairly recently.

I'd be surprised, however, if there wasn't a slowdown in the pace of inflation after the changes were introduce, instead of the reverse. Human nature is cautious when dealing with new stuff. I think of a Russian going, "Matyervebets, what is this worth again?" and basically taking the time to figure out the difference.

Jasper109 11-06-2006 10:33 PM

Re: Economics: Removing Zeros from Currency Causes Inflation?
 
They chopped 4 zeros off in Poland about 10 or 15 years ago.

10000 Zlotys became 1 Zloty.

I don't think it caused anything to really happen. It just didn't make much sense for a loaf of bread to cost 3000 Zlotys, and coins went back to being more rational small denominations.

FortunaMaximus 11-06-2006 10:37 PM

Re: Economics: Removing Zeros from Currency Causes Inflation?
 
Sounds painful. This would be post-Wall, yeah?

Jasper109 11-06-2006 10:45 PM

Re: Economics: Removing Zeros from Currency Causes Inflation?
 
Ya. I can't remember exactly what year, but I'm guessing around 93-95.

I still have some of the old bills. In those days the official exchange rate at banks sucked, so you had to exchange dollars for zlotys on the black market. (all very clandestine) lol

Until around that time the government made you exchange x number of dollars for zlotys (at a crappy rate of exchange) for every day that you stayed as a tourist. I believe it was like $30 or $40 a day. So when I went for 6 weeks I'd basically have to pay for air fare + an extra $1000 down the
toilet.

Ah, the good old days. The dollar was king. Now it sucks, because prices in stores there now are basically the same as here. (even though the average salary is one-fifth of what it is here.

FortunaMaximus 11-06-2006 10:51 PM

Re: Economics: Removing Zeros from Currency Causes Inflation?
 
Heh. I've read a lot into Cold War Soviets and satellites. Grew up in the era, ya know. Always found it fascinating. Should visit eventually.

Still, if OP can dig up the histories of those currencies and compare trend lines, it'd make an interesting counterargument to his friend.


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