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gumpzilla 11-02-2006 10:25 PM

NL100 - rivered an underfull on big board. Value?
 
My opponent seems good and aggressive. Has three bet me a couple of times, has played some blind D against me, has shown he can float me PF with garbage on the button.

I decided that I frequently miss value on the river and went for it here. Good idea?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($42.25)
CO ($93.50)
Hero ($139.55)
SB ($183.35)
BB ($145)
UTG ($59.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, SB calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($9) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, SB calls $7.

Turn: ($23) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($23) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $12.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $37</font>

Haiku 11-02-2006 10:28 PM

Re: NL100 - rivered an underfull on big board. Value?
 
Will you call if he shoves?

Claunchy 11-02-2006 10:28 PM

Re: NL100 - rivered an underfull on big board. Value?
 
I'm not sure what the question is.

Bandgeek 11-02-2006 10:32 PM

Re: NL100 - rivered an underfull on big board. Value?
 
I'll preface this by saying that I'm definitely not an expert.

Looks like he was trying to checkraise the turn with a weak A and you checked behind. (I'm assuming a weak ace because of the check/call on the flop)

I would try to get it all in here.

gumpzilla 11-02-2006 10:36 PM

Re: NL100 - rivered an underfull on big board. Value?
 
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Will you call if he shoves?

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That is a key part of the question. I decided I likely wouldn't and thus that I don't really like it.

gumpzilla 11-02-2006 10:37 PM

Re: NL100 - rivered an underfull on big board. Value?
 
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I'm not sure what the question is.

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Do you value bet the river?

NewHope 11-02-2006 10:40 PM

Re: NL100 - rivered an underfull on big board. Value?
 
I agree, I think he has a weak A that was suited, then his bet on the river was to see if his ace was good, I would shove all in.

Claunchy 11-02-2006 10:41 PM

Re: NL100 - rivered an underfull on big board. Value?
 
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Will you call if he shoves?

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That is a key part of the question. I decided I likely wouldn't and thus that I don't really like it.

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That's crazy talk. You don't think he ever shoves w/ an A or a flush? If he has a better boat he's just gonna get my money.

gumpzilla 11-02-2006 10:46 PM

Re: NL100 - rivered an underfull on big board. Value?
 
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Will you call if he shoves?

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That is a key part of the question. I decided I likely wouldn't and thus that I don't really like it.

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That's crazy talk. You don't think he ever shoves w/ an A or a flush? If he has a better boat he's just gonna get my money.

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If I thought this guy was some random idiot, sure. He really isn't, as far as I can tell. Assuming he has any respect for me whatsoever, shoving a flush seems like a terrible idea, as I can't call with anything other than a boat. An A shoving might at least move me off a flush, but I doubt he's bluffing with a bad A in this spot.

SABR42 11-02-2006 10:58 PM

Re: NL100 - rivered an underfull on big board. Value?
 
I would raise bigger. About $45 on the river, because it's hard to put you on that hand. Your hand doesn't look like a FH, because you would have bet the turn with AQ or A9.

I'm also calling a push.

FH &gt; flush.


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