Getting away from Top Full House?
 

Sry i don't have the actual hand history, but in a nutshell:
.50/1 PLO
maniac-$250 ????
me-$100 QQxx
luckbox-$350 JJxx

flop is QJ6, w/flush draw. Maniac bets out $5, I smooth call to a. see if one of the many draws hits on turn so I can draw cheaply at fh if have to & b. be sneaky against maniac. Luckbox calls.
Turn J. maniac checks, I bet $10, luckbox and maniac both call. At this point I'm certainly worried about pkt Js, especially when luckbox smooth calls, cause he is fairly solid, and i doubt would call on a draw once board pairs, but since i didn't raise flop, It could be tougher to know i have fh(maybe he puts me on trip Js w/draw, etc.)
River is blank. Maniac checks, I bet $25, lucky raises to $50, i rereaise (which I know is HUGE mistake)and get stacked. Anythoughts on overall play of this hand?
I know given my stack size, its hard to get away from top fh here, but just wondering, if in other situations, anyone lays down top fh.
thx

Re: Getting away from Top Full House?
 

Oh, I definitely lay down top full house here. He has JJxx 100% of the time. Does that help? lol

Re: Getting away from Top Full House?
 

jesus, raise the flop and hope the turn blanks so you can go allin. as it played out tough luck and rereraise is not a huge mistake, you really think he would only raise with quads here and never with JQ and if he did he would never call an allin with that? I doubt that.

Re: Getting away from Top Full House?
 

In an unraised pot I think I'd need about 600 BBs to get away from nut full house against an average opponent.

Re: Getting away from Top Full House?
 

Here's the question you need to ask yourself:

Would he be just as likely to overplay an underfull that way as quads?

With the maniac that question is probably yes, in which case pound the pot. With other players including the luckbox here, unless you clearly know the answer is yes, then you should err on the side of caution and just call his raise. If he does only have QJ, then you will fail to maximize in one hand but get a better read for the future. Also relevant is that a minraise is often more sinister online than a full raise, because lots of players think they are being clever with same. And in fact he was as he induced a reraise from you. Your play of the hand prior to the river was fine.

Re: Getting away from Top Full House?
 

No, this is the question. What stack are you not going to blow w topfull vs. quads? at 0.50/1 its going in.

Re: Getting away from Top Full House?
 

I think the river raise is fine, lucky could just as easily have the underfull & play it this way with a maniac in the hand.

Re: Getting away from Top Full House?
 

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Here's the question you need to ask yourself:

Would he be just as likely to overplay an underfull that way as quads?


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not even -- if he is 1/5 as likely to overplay an underfull this way as quads, you should get it in. Because there are a lot of underfulls and only one way to have JJ.

Re: Getting away from Top Full House?
 

your hand is definitely worth one buyin. =)