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hbgolfpro 01-30-2006 01:13 AM

5-10 NL with QQ!!!!!!
 
I have been at this table for a couple hrs and the guy to my right has about 15K in front of him. He is the typical LAG and loves to splash chips. He also loves to shove huge bets to the center on bluffs. In this hand he opens for 100 to go.....yes you read that right....10X the BB! That is his "status quo" raise. I look down at QQ and I have about 1400 in my stack. Even though this guy could easily be raising here on AToff, I choose to simply call for two reasons. First the whole table is left to act....and secondly if he did wake up with a hand he could easily wipe me clean. It is folded to the button who is a classic caller and we see the flop 3 handed. Pot is 300.

Flop is 7s 5s 2h

UTG fires 200 quickly. At this moment I would love to win this 500 right now with no further action AND I know that I must try to knock out the button and get this thing heads up if I can. So I make it 500 to go. The button folds and UTG calls. UTG then announces "I check" before the turn is dealt. Now I have him on possibly a hand like 99 or AK.... but he absolutely could have AA or KK. I just dont feel he flopped a set on that board.

The turn is 4d

UTG has already checked and now this is where I may be incorrect in my play. The pot is now 1300 and I have 800 left. I know that if he checked AA or KK then I am just going to lose my stack....its that simple. I am not turning back now. So......and this might be the mistake....I checked it back. I did it for this reason alone: Knowing this man is a HABITUAL bluffer and bully, I thought there was a reasonable chance he could have AK or the like. I also KNEW that if I checked behind him on the turn, he would bet into me on 5th street regardless of his hand and I could snap off that bluff. I realize I gave a free card to AK, but he is a 7-1 dog to catch. If I move in on the turn, I lose to AA and KK anyway...but he probably folds AK there. If I check the turn, he bets AA and KK on the river and I still lose...but I also catch the bluff I am certain will come.

River is a total blank.

UTG announces "500"! I quickly call and he shows JJ and I win the pot.

Now as I said, I realize the pot was BIG on 4th street and my check might have been incorrect, but I felt that a move in there by me would cause him to fold A high. I knew I was going to go broke to AA or KK anyway...so was my thinking valid at all? Was I correct to give a free card to a 7-1 shot in the hopes of snapping a bluff? Or is a move in on the turn the only play?

flawless_victory 01-30-2006 01:16 AM

Re: 5-10 NL with QQ!!!!!!
 
wow, ther fact that you didnt double thru this hand is quite amazing. like you had to try so hard to not win that last 300, its incredible dude.

technologic 01-30-2006 01:38 AM

Re: 5-10 NL with QQ!!!!!!
 
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wow, ther fact that you didnt double thru this hand is quite amazing. like you had to try so hard to not win that last 300, its incredible dude.

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nh

slickpoppa 01-30-2006 02:03 AM

Re: 5-10 NL with QQ!!!!!!
 
I don't like the PF smooth call at all. Against a lag with a really wide range you need to isolate and exploit your PF equity advantage. The last thing you want is to have the LAG crushed, but let the button catch a K on the flop with his KJ. Make it 350 total preflop and be ready to get it all-in on any reasonable flop.

snagglepuss 01-30-2006 02:15 AM

Re: 5-10 NL with QQ!!!!!!
 
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wow, ther fact that you didnt double thru this hand is quite amazing. like you had to try so hard to not win that last 300, its incredible dude.

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haha!

hbgolfpro 01-30-2006 02:36 AM

Re: 5-10 NL with QQ!!!!!!
 
hey guy.....well since I am obviously not the expert you are, and since you play perfect poker, why not share your thought process if you were playing this hand. Now I realize that you are on such a high level of proficiency that I will have to struggle and do my best to understand. I guess I am the only non expert on this forum. We have so many "professionals" on here it makes me wonder if there are any losing players. By the way, if you will give me the title to your best selling book I will be happy to pick it up at my local seller. And lastly, I am on here to ask questions and learn. Not to have someone that does not know me act like he is Doyle Brunson and treat me in a condescending fashion. Now I ask again,....please share your though process Your Expertness.

Lucky 01-30-2006 02:45 AM

Re: 5-10 NL with QQ!!!!!!
 
bet the turn. as it is raise the river.

When you check turn against this guy, its only good if he DOES have slick and one of his six outs DOESNT come. If you bet turn and hes awful, maybe he calls with slick with a card to come.

yvesaint 01-30-2006 06:08 AM

Re: 5-10 NL with QQ!!!!!!
 
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wow, ther fact that you didnt double thru this hand is quite amazing. like you had to try so hard to not win that last 300, its incredible dude.

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JMP300z 01-30-2006 08:27 AM

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wow, ther fact that you didnt double thru this hand is quite amazing. like you had to try so hard to not win that last 300, its incredible dude.

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-JP

KingNeo 01-30-2006 12:13 PM

Re: 5-10 NL with QQ!!!!!!
 
Just answer the guys question and stop giving him a hard time, it is childish and obnoxious.

I think you made a couple of mistakes here and others have already pointed them out.

Firstly, you needed to reraise preflop to isolate the LAG. You did not want the rest of the table calling with underpairs and overcards who can catch the flop. If you raise to $300 here and some flat calls then you can be very suspicious that person has KK or AA. So at least you are aware of it now. If everyone folds back to the LAG then you have accomplished your goal to isolate him.

As far as the turn goes, you really needed to bet there. The way the action went in the hand there is no reason to give him credit for a hand that beats your QQ. Why let this guy catch a card. Truthfully any number of cards could have lost that hand for you. He could have paired an AK or any other pocket pair he had such as his J.

Anyways, the way you played it, why the hell didn't you just push the river and put in your last $300? I mean you must have thought your QQ was still good so why not push it in and make him call?


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