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sosorry 10-05-2006 11:32 PM

bad luck? variance? rigged rng?
 
I keep getting sucked out by 1 card straights or flushes, after I'm all-in or calling someone who's all-in (.05/.10c BB 10$ max). I have them beat but then they catch runner runner runner runner and beat me because they hold one of the cards that gives them a straight or flush.

My question is, does anyone know the odds for how often 4 cards on the board give someone a 1 card straight or flush?

DrModern 10-05-2006 11:41 PM

Re: bad luck? variance? rigged rng?
 
Nope, no one here knows the answer to your question.

That, and online poker is rigged.

johnnytt 10-05-2006 11:56 PM

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online poker is rigged.

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knockonwood 10-06-2006 12:00 AM

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BJ at party isnt. Make some $$$ while you get the chance.

DanoMak 10-06-2006 12:26 AM

Re: bad luck? variance? rigged rng?
 
Don't get discouraged, but also don't expect much sympathy here.

I will give you some *hopefully* helpful words. I'm assuming you are in the early stages of your development. It's fairly natural to go through this cycle of "this can never be profitable" and it's natural to want to post on these boards that "you guys are all full of [censored]" (I too was guilty of having my own whine thread). But stick with it, use this forum as a resource, and study- it'll come around.

Do yourself a favor and don't get timid after being sucked out. Why? By not protecting your hands you allow other players to cheaply see draw that miracle card.

You may also want to consider this...I went to a poker seminar given by the math dept. at my school, and while not incredibly helpful, the idea of implicit collusion was discussed- essentially mass numbers of fish unknowingly teaming together to take down the shark. By letting many weaker hands stick around, you are increasing the number of cards left in the deck that can crush you. This may be contribute to that feeling of "I get sucked out all the time."

So in summary, protect your hands, bet for value with your strong hands.

To the more experienced players, feel free to fix my post on any errors I made.

Ampelmann 10-06-2006 03:10 AM

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online poker is rigged.

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It must be, since I've been winning so far.

knockonwood 10-06-2006 03:43 AM

Re: bad luck? variance? rigged rng?
 
FWIW, i got paranoid at one stage and started to think party was rigged. I still hate party. I semi didn't mind it when sixth sense came out, but now 80% of the players are gone, its not even an issue.

Smurph64 10-06-2006 03:49 AM

Re: bad luck? variance? rigged rng?
 
and it sounds like you are playing NL from your post and while we would love to help you and many of us here play NL this forum is for limit stakes and that beast is totally different one than NL.

ajm36 10-06-2006 04:13 AM

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It must be, since I've been winning so far.

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That's luck, not riggedness. When you start losing, it is rigged--it was never rigged until I started losing

ajm36 10-06-2006 04:49 AM

Re: bad luck? variance? rigged rng?
 
I submit proof that party is rigged. There is no measure to the riggedness of online poker and of Party Poker in particular.

UTG+1 is like >50/<15/>1
BB is 80/16/.7


Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $52
UTG+1: $50
CO: $45.25
Button: $11.09
Hero: $73.50
BB: $26.76

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG, folds, UTG+1 (poster) checks, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4SB, 4 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6.5BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB caps</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (18.5BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero folds.

Results: In white
Final pot: 23.5BB
<font color="#ffffff">BB shows Qs 4s </font>
<font color="#ffffff">UTG+1 doesn't show Jc 7d </font>


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