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Neuge 09-30-2006 09:19 AM

1st hand Stars 20+2, TT. Standard fold?
 
Critique pre-flop play too please.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t80</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t140</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls t60.

Flop: (t320) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t240</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t560

Steelerman 09-30-2006 09:28 AM

Re: 1st hand Stars 20+2, TT. Standard fold?
 
I'd probably limp behind here PF. If I was opening the pot, then I like the raise. As played, your line looks fine.

RexWoo 10-02-2006 11:09 AM

Re: 1st hand Stars 20+2, TT. Standard fold?
 
strange reraise from SB !

I like the raise from the button (I might sometime limp here) and the call on the *$!? rerraise.

Flop looks standard without information on villain.

PokerIsLife 10-02-2006 11:31 AM

Re: 1st hand Stars 20+2, TT. Standard fold?
 
Yeah, too early to get so involved with so much chips.

Mike MacIntosh 10-02-2006 11:43 AM

Re: 1st hand Stars 20+2, TT. Standard fold?
 
PF - No prob with raising or calling in that spot.

F - Terrible flop for your pocket 10's. Which leads to a standard fold.

Overall, well played.

skegvegaspoker 10-02-2006 11:47 AM

Re: 1st hand Stars 20+2, TT. Standard fold?
 
Think the preflop raise here is spewage.

wallywojo 10-02-2006 04:17 PM

Re: 1st hand Stars 20+2, TT. Standard fold?
 
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Think the preflop raise here is spewage.

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I agree and here is why. The tight players are not folding their solid holdings to this raise. The loose players who decided they are playing and calling the raise. I think this is why it is just not good to get that financially involved with a hand this early. All the overcards are forcing you to slowdown and you don't want to c/c down 500 or more to find out you are second best to someone playing any two suited or any ace that hits an overcard.

At these levels I pretty much play JJ and down for set value until level 3 or possibly 4 depending on the table. This is directly from a post on beating the $10 SNGs and works quite well.

Green Kool Aid 10-02-2006 04:21 PM

Re: 1st hand Stars 20+2, TT. Standard fold?
 
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Think the preflop raise here is spewage.

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i disagree. TT is a strong hand, but you prefer 1 opponent over 3.

hero played this 100 percent perfectly IMO.

IceMuncher 10-02-2006 05:23 PM

Re: 1st hand Stars 20+2, TT. Standard fold?
 
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Think the preflop raise here is spewage.

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I agree and here is why. The tight players are not folding their solid holdings to this raise. The loose players who decided they are playing and calling the raise. I think this is why it is just not good to get that financially involved with a hand this early. All the overcards are forcing you to slowdown and you don't want to c/c down 500 or more to find out you are second best to someone playing any two suited or any ace that hits an overcard.

At these levels I pretty much play JJ and down for set value until level 3 or possibly 4 depending on the table. This is directly from a post on beating the $10 SNGs and works quite well.

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To be fair, an $80 raise pf early in a tournament should not be committing you financially. 10 10 is a strong hand, it plays well HU as long as you don't overplay it. On top of that we have position, and if we hit the set it's a lot easier to build a big pot if it's raised preflop than a limped pot. If you want, you can think of it as raising for set value and value betting at the same time.

I think this hand was played absolutely fine.

AMT 10-02-2006 05:29 PM

Re: 1st hand Stars 20+2, TT. Standard fold?
 
looks fine

eveyrone saying a preflop raise on button here with TT is very wrong IMO


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