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A_PLUS 09-02-2006 01:04 AM

It sure feels like he is ready to teach me a lesson....
 
Party 109$
30/60 level

Interesting dynamics between the villan and myself and the villan. He has been lagging it up limping 1/2 his hands, raising 1/4. Last orbit, he min-raised my BB, bet same on flop and turn, folded to my turn raise when a 3 flush came on board. Last hand, he open limped, and folded when I made it 250. He hasn't limped a raising hand that I have seen, and I suspect he is just a bad lag, but tough to tell.

Stack sizes:
UTG: t3445
UTG+1: t2714
UTG+2: t2873
Hero: t3350
MP2: t3966
MP3: t1877
CO: t2785
Button: t2840
SB: t2800
BB: t3310

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t60 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t90)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t250</font>, 6 folds, UTG+2 calls t190 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t400)</font>.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t590, 2 players)
UTG+2 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t350</font>, UTG+2 calls t350 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t940)</font>.

I like AQ more than some. The rest of the table had been pretty tight, and I was just looking to isolate the LAG with position.

Pretty standard for a c-bet or for value. His range is still very wide, IMO

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t1290, 2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero ??

I still think I am good here, but am unsure of the best line. I dont see many worse hands calling, any thoughts?

AMT 09-02-2006 02:28 AM

Re: It sure feels like he is ready to teach me a lesson....
 
im not looking to play such a big pot anymore now that there is a 4 straight and flush possibilities against a guy whose range could easily include those types of hands. im looking to check behind there and possibly call a river bet but even consider folding depending on the action

A_PLUS 09-02-2006 02:58 AM

Re: It sure feels like he is ready to teach me a lesson....
 
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im not looking to play such a big pot anymore now that there is a 4 straight and flush possibilities against a guy whose range could easily include those types of hands. im looking to check behind there and possibly call a river bet but even consider folding depending on the action

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My thinking exactly, I checked behind.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
He instabets 666

0evg0 09-02-2006 03:16 AM

Re: It sure feels like he is ready to teach me a lesson....
 
If you think you've got the best hand, why not make a bet that forces him to pay to draw to the [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] but also allows him to bluff-raise you? Something like 550?

A_PLUS 09-02-2006 03:36 AM

Re: It sure feels like he is ready to teach me a lesson....
 
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If you think you've got the best hand, why not make a bet that forces him to pay to draw to the [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] but also allows him to bluff-raise you? Something like 550?

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B/c I might not have the best hand. If not, I'd like to escape with some chips. Also, I think in general, you see a river bluff more often than a turn c-r bluff.

0evg0 09-02-2006 03:50 AM

Re: It sure feels like he is ready to teach me a lesson....
 
Let me rephrase, semi-bluff-raise you.

I think the fact that you can't commit hamstrings you.

registrar 09-02-2006 06:34 AM

Re: It sure feels like he is ready to teach me a lesson....
 
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im not looking to play such a big pot anymore now that there is a 4 straight and flush possibilities against a guy whose range could easily include those types of hands. im looking to check behind there and possibly call a river bet but even consider folding depending on the action

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My thinking exactly, I checked behind.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
He instabets 666

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I really don't know. I agree with your line to this point and I probably call here for a few reasons.

The first is the worst: I'm building a mental database of times that I have been bet into like this (no one has ever typed out the number of the beast before).

It's an easy and cheap bluff for villain to peel off, given how the board has developed and the pattern of your betting.

OTOH, and as a matter of interest, how many times does does a low spade fold here, if raised all in?

And FWIW, if someone asked me to him on a specific hand here, I would say 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6x because in my small mental database, the majority of these weird bets seem to have some relation to the cards in the hand.

FortunaMaximus 09-02-2006 10:29 AM

Re: It sure feels like he is ready to teach me a lesson....
 
Lead out for ~800 on turn.

Here's why. Look at the flop. Villain should raise to take initative and peel on two streets at his price.

Push any turn.

jlocdog 09-02-2006 12:01 PM

Re: It sure feels like he is ready to teach me a lesson....
 
Exactly what hand is he calling your flop bet with and then not beating you by river? Even his weaker aces have a 33% chance of holding a spade.

Bet out on the turn. If raised you can fold rather easiily. If called you may have bought a free showdown.

uclabruinz 09-02-2006 12:08 PM

Re: It sure feels like he is ready to teach me a lesson....
 
I like your line just fine, call the river bet.


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