Big pot, top two against idiots - butchered?
 

UTG is a 60/13/0.6 guy and plays mostly like his stats indicate. He is on the passive side and this was the main reason for my river decision. Sb is a complete idiot 73/14/0.84 It looks like he sucked out big time but I wouldn't be surprised to see Q5 or A5. I think its about 40%-50% that I have him beaten on the river.

I think I really[censored] up on the turn. Anyone else 3-bets this?


Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $15/$30
4 players
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Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, Button folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG caps</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (12SB, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, SB calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9BB, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG caps</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (21BB, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises</font>, Hero folds, UTG calls.

Results:
Final pot: 25BB

Re: Big pot, top two against idiots - butchered?
 

I dont fold vs two donkies with top two when no flush has hit.

Re: Big pot, top two against idiots - butchered?
 

Im not folding this. Good thing here is that you know you can get in for 2 and UTG wont 3 bet even AA here imo.

Re: Big pot, top two against idiots - butchered?
 

Don't fold here. You will win these 'wtf?' spots enough to end up in the green.

Re: Big pot, top two against idiots - butchered?
 

I don't understand the turn at all, what the hell does a passive player have to cap preflop, call a flop raise and then riase the turn? AA QQ and AQ are possiblities. What else is? AK- he can't have AK+flush draw so he has to be doing something totally out of character.
On the river if you estimate that you are ahead of the SB 50% of the time then you have to be ahead of UTG 16% of the time. I don't like the turn 3 bet, i don't like a river call either.

Re: Big pot, top two against idiots - butchered?
 

I wouldn't 3-bomb the turn, and I would never fold this river versus captain donkey and his sidekick. the idiot who shows up on the river has some retarded worse 2P hand plenty often to make a call correct.

Re: Big pot, top two against idiots - butchered?
 

lead the flop against a passive player

Re: Big pot, top two against idiots - butchered?
 

Note that both of these players` stats are not passive.