Should I ever call this flush hindered wrap draw?
 

At the time, I was going to call the first bet, getting either 3-1 or 4-1 and see what the turn woud bring. After the raise, I figured I would have to hit and dodge too many bullets to win.

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $7.95
UTG+1: $27.80
UTG+2: $19.10
MP1: $19.40
MP2: $33.95
MP3: $26.55
CO: $42.60
Button: $21.35
SB: $8.25
Hero: $82.85

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises to $1.35</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+2 raises to $2.45</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($12.6, 6 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+2 bets $12</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises all-in $31.5</font>, MP3 folds, Hero folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+2 calls all-in $4.65</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 calls all-in $4.95</font>.
Uncalled bets: $14.55 returned to MP2.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($77.7, 1 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $62.55, Sidepot 1: $0.6, Sidepot 2: $14.55)


River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($77.7, 1 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $62.55, Sidepot 1: $0.6, Sidepot 2: $14.55)


Results:
Final pot: $77.7

Re: Should I ever call this flush hindered wrap draw?
 

It is very read dependent on the flop call...

are these guys donkeys, or do they pretty much know what they are doing. You are wrapping the small end of the straight. with the pre flop raises someone could easily be holding a cluster of paint.

Even if they have your cards the chance of them having hearts to free roll you is high since you hold no hearts.

Re: Should I ever call this flush hindered wrap draw?
 

I wouldn't. You have the crappy end of the draw and the flush to worry about. You're probably drawing pretty close to dead.

Re: Should I ever call this flush hindered wrap draw?
 

I agree with Piiop, not only is there a flush draw out, but you have the wrong end as well. You're in a world of hurt if someone also has your draw dominated with AKQx, etc

Re: Should I ever call this flush hindered wrap draw?
 

Occasionally you hear that you shouldn't call with a straight draw if there is a two flush on the board. This isn't true, but here your draw is just too weak.

Re: Should I ever call this flush hindered wrap draw?
 

What do you guys think about just calling getting 4-1 when there isn't the reraiser? I was going to call to see the turn. I think my fold was good here, but I'm not sure about if there wasn't a reraise.

Re: Should I ever call this flush hindered wrap draw?
 

Even at 4-1 the problem as other posters noted is that your straight draw isn't really that good because you don't have many nut outs. In fact you only have 4 which just makes your draw equivalent to a gutshot in a multiway pot where you are facing not only a made hand and flush draws, but better straight draws as well.

Re: Should I ever call this flush hindered wrap draw?
 

getting 4-1 out of position I'd fold, if I was last to act I'd consider a call but out of position its a nightmare, I count 16 outs, 5 of which also make a flush and only 4 of which make a temporary nuts, this is very much a hand that you need to be able to to see the action when you hit badly before making your choice, out of position this is impossible.

Re: Should I ever call this flush hindered wrap draw?
 

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What do you guys think about just calling getting 4-1 when there isn't the reraiser? I was going to call to see the turn. I think my fold was good here, but I'm not sure about if there wasn't a reraise.

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You would be getting 2-1 and it would be most of the effective stack, so no.

Re: Should I ever call this flush hindered wrap draw?
 

You have 5 realistic outs against some some redraws.

Good fold.