QQ vs two min re-raises preflop and then wimpy flop bet... wtf?
 

No reads on villain. Completely confused here, too much so to fold esp with the spade redraw so I went to the felt, comments?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($57.25)
SB ($271)
BB ($51.35)
Hero ($301.70)
MP ($454.91)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
[color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $7</font>, [color=#CC3333]MP raises to $12</font>, [color=#666666]3 folds</font>, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $45</font>, [color=#CC3333]MP raises to $78</font>, Hero calls $33.

Flop: ($159) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
Hero checks, [color=#CC3333]MP bets $50</font>, Hero calls $50.

Turn: ($259) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
Hero checks, [color=#CC3333]MP bets $100</font>, Hero calls $173.70 (All-In), MP calls $73.70.

Final Pot: $606.40

Re: QQ vs two min re-raises preflop and then wimpy flop bet... wtf?
 

smooth call the 3-bet PF

Re: QQ vs two min re-raises preflop and then wimpy flop bet... wtf?
 

I would never make the 4-bet PF without a read. Worse hands fold, better hands stack you, blah blah.

Calling his 5-bet PF is RAZOR thin. You are right at the tail end of it being "okay" by the 5/10 rule.

As played, c/f flop.

Re: QQ vs two min re-raises preflop and then wimpy flop bet... wtf?
 

Just to clarify, I 3-bet, he 4-bet.

So you don't think that in the absence of a read, the double min-raise and then wimpy flop bet might suggest he's a bit of a donk and thus might have a worse hand here?

Re: QQ vs two min re-raises preflop and then wimpy flop bet... wtf?
 

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Just to clarify, I 3-bet, he 4-bet.

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False.

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So you don't think that in the absence of a read, the double min-raise and then wimpy flop bet might suggest he's a bit of a donk and thus might have a worse hand here?

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I think you're dead on about the bit of a donk part, but I think this is AA/KK almost always.

Re: QQ vs two min re-raises preflop and then wimpy flop bet... wtf?
 

blinds force bet, you raise (2bet), he rr (3bet), you bluff raise (4bet), he tells you he has the nuts (5bet), you bluff call.

call the 3bet, or fold to the 5bet.

Re: QQ vs two min re-raises preflop and then wimpy flop bet... wtf?
 

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blinds force bet, you raise (2bet), he rr (3bet), you bluff raise (4bet), he tells you he has the nuts (5bet), you bluff call.


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lol is this great, and pretty accurate too.

Re: QQ vs two min re-raises preflop and then wimpy flop bet... wtf?
 

i wouldnt 3 bet preflop.

Re: QQ vs two min re-raises preflop and then wimpy flop bet... wtf?
 

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i wouldnt 3 bet preflop.

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Re: QQ vs two min re-raises preflop and then wimpy flop bet... wtf?
 

lol [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Yeah, my bad, 5-bet.

I understand this is the default for that sequence of betting but the double min-raise was too much for me and I decided he was too clearly awful to respect with a fold.

I called and pushed the turn. He had Jacks (for a set)... I re-sucked out on the river with a spade.