pair + FD oop
 

Villain seems tight/rockish. I think he is only betting this flop with 99-AA, AJ, maybe AK but I doubt it. So with no FE, pushing seems marginal. Pokerstove says that I'm only like 47% against AA-QQ,AJ. Thoughts?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($170.65)
UTG ($659.12)
MP ($204.75)
Button ($223.75)
Hero ($212.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $8</font>, MP calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero (poster) calls $7, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($26) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $25</font>, MP folds, Hero bets $204.70 (All-In)

Re: pair + FD oop
 

I think you answered your own question. JJ, QQ, KK, AA, 99, 22 instantly look you up. I think you should call and reevaluate on the turn given your reads.

Re: pair + FD oop
 

I think only worse hands fold here, and your hand looks alot like what it is - a big draw. If I was looking to get this all in on the flop, I'd probably try a b3b - looks more like a set and gives you a better price when it all goes in. I would just call this bet and see what unfolds, though.

Re: pair + FD oop
 

If you call here you pretty much gotta open shove the turn, cause if you check, he'll bet, and no raise you can make will get him to fold. That being said, what turn cards do you think would scare someone in the 99-AA, AJ, AK range? (that don't also make you a winner) Being a flip to most hands here, you are looking for FE, and I don't see you having much more than you already do right now...

Re: pair + FD oop
 

I think leading the flop will win you more money in the long run. Then if he raises you can three bet all in.

Re: pair + FD oop
 

Would you ever do this with a made hand?
Also, since he doesn't CB(or rarely) I'd rather just bet3bet

Re: pair + FD oop
 

I definitely just call. I really dislike pushing in this scenario actually.

Re: pair + FD oop
 

Why in the world are you pushing for 200 into a $50 pot? Is this how you play your good hands or only the ones where you want people to fold?

Re: pair + FD oop
 

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Why in the world are you pushing for 200 into a $50 pot? Is this how you play your good hands or only the ones where you want people to fold?

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yes, i'd obviously push a set against this guy.

Re: pair + FD oop
 

one question:

why call a rock's PF raise OOP if you can get a great flop and still be in a pickle?...

also for those who say to just call... is that really the best?...

you get 2:1 odds for your next card... ~6:1 implied odds...

if a blank comes on turn what then?... if you check villian most certainly bets imo... then you fold?... that doesn't sound right... i figger if you are willing to call down you might as well push... even a little FE tilts the scale in your favour... who knows mebbe he is capable of laying down his QQ-AA