100/200, Huge pot. Value bet the river?
 

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $100/$200
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/kh.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/as.png
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG caps</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/4s.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/qh.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/jc.png (19.5SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/ts.png (12.75BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero caps</font>, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

River: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/ks.png (30.75BB, 3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero ? .


I've been thinking about this hand all day.

UTG and MP2 villains are your standard 18/10 weak tighties. Very good table though and I've been doing well and having my way lagging it up.

Can UTG have anything other than AK (with a flush draw on turn) or a set here? What about MP2? raising the flop and calling all the way. He's got to be on a draw because I think 2 pairs is out, possibly a set.

The river is really bad because both the straight and flush gets there. I'm confused here because they both checked (?).
Is this a very easy value bet based on the size of the pot?

Re: 100/200, Huge pot. Value bet the river?
 

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Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $100/$200
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/kh.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/as.png
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG caps</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/4s.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/qh.png http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/jc.png (19.5SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/ts.png (12.75BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero caps</font>, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

River: http://www.neildewhurst.com/wp-conte...c-cards/ks.png (30.75BB, 3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero ? .


I've been thinking about this hand all day.

UTG and MP2 villains are your standard 18/10 weak tighties. Very good table though and I've been doing well and having my way lagging it up.

Can UTG have anything other than AK (with a flush draw on turn) or a set here? What about MP2? raising the flop and calling all the way. He's got to be on a draw because I think 2 pairs is out, possibly a set.

The river is really bad because both the straight and flush gets there. I'm confused here because they both checked (?).
Is this a very easy value bet based on the size of the pot?

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He can't have AK with a flush draw.

Re: 100/200, Huge pot. Value bet the river?
 

I think it´s pretty rare that you will see a flush considering that they can´t fold As,Ks,Ts, so betting is very close to a freeroll. It´s pretty obvious that you have the nut straight, but it´s a huge pot and people tend to make crying calls in those.

Re: 100/200, Huge pot. Value bet the river?
 

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He can't have AK with a flush draw.

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doh! you're right [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] say AKs is out, he's got either AA, KK or QQ. But none of these are consistent with the way the action went. If he's got a set of Qs I really doubt that he would wait till the turn to play this way given the flop. Villain is a very reasonable player.

Re: 100/200, Huge pot. Value bet the river?
 

There is only 1 combination of cards (Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) which seems reasonable the way the hand played out that beats you. I would have a hard time not betting here, although in the heat of the moment I may not realize this so quickly.

Re: 100/200, Huge pot. Value bet the river?
 

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There is only 1 combination of cards (Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) which seems reasonable the way the hand played out that beats you. I would have a hard time not betting here, although in the heat of the moment I may not realize this so quickly.

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It was a pretty big pot at the moment and I was confused about their checks because I'm confident they would not try to checkraise with their made flush on river (i think).

Re: 100/200, Huge pot. Value bet the river?
 

I tend to value bet more into big pots since you're likely to get called by weaker hands. I think this is an easy value bet though I suspect you're only winning half the pot.

Re: 100/200, Huge pot. Value bet the river?
 

I think this is a must bet. You're almost always chopping but someone is getting sandwiched with a crying call.

Re: 100/200, Huge pot. Value bet the river?
 

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I think this is a must bet. You're almost always chopping but someone is getting sandwiched with a crying call.

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my thoughts exactly. unless they start taking a 50% rake if you make another bet then bet away.

Re: 100/200, Huge pot. Value bet the river?
 

bet, easy.

either way this is incredibly unimportant