For BCPVP: Why Right-Wingers Are a Clear and Present Danger
 

From the incomparable Glenn Greenwald. Link.


...if there is any defining American principle, it is that the President can't throw U.S. citizens in jail without charges and a trial. Since the 13th Century Magna Carta, not even the British King could do that. But there are virtually no American political principles left which are not being called into question, if not overtly attacked, by Bush followers. Prohibitions on torture, the right to a jury trial, the obligation of the President to obey the law, the right of the press to publish stories without criminal prosecution -- all of the values which have distinguished this country and defined who we are as a nation for the last two centuries are all being debated and assaulted.

What do you do with people who never learned that American citizens can't be imprisoned by Executive decree and without a trial, or that American journalists aren't imprisoned for stories they write about the Government's conduct? People like this plainly do not embrace, or comprehend, even the most basic principles of what America is.


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Indeed.

Re: For BCPVP: Why Right-Wingers Are a Clear and Present Danger
 

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You apparently turn them into Zeus-like Gods:

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Re: For BCPVP: Why Right-Wingers Are a Clear and Present Danger
 

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From the incomparable Glenn Greenwald. Link.


...if there is any defining American principle, it is that the President can't throw U.S. citizens in jail without charges and a trial. Since the 13th Century Magna Carta, not even the British King could do that. But there are virtually no American political principles left which are not being called into question, if not overtly attacked, by Bush followers. Prohibitions on torture, the right to a jury trial, the obligation of the President to obey the law, the right of the press to publish stories without criminal prosecution -- all of the values which have distinguished this country and defined who we are as a nation for the last two centuries are all being debated and assaulted.

What do you do with people who never learned that American citizens can't be imprisoned by Executive decree and without a trial, or that American journalists aren't imprisoned for stories they write about the Government's conduct? People like this plainly do not embrace, or comprehend, even the most basic principles of what America is.


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Indeed.

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Who and when? blah blah blah

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What do you do with people who never learned that American citizens can't be imprisoned by Executive decree and without a trial, or that American journalists aren't imprisoned for stories they write about the Government's conduct?

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You apparently turn them into Zeus-like Gods:

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Not to mention Constitution defying dictators....

And just for kicks, what is the author's stance on the second Amendment? You know, the one that apparently doesn't count under FDR or Clinton (plus others).

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At least read the link before doing a tl;dr.

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The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, confirmed by the Supreme Court, disagrees.



Boro: very nice.

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At least read the link before doing a tl;dr.

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I did read it and have read much of the "incomparable Glenn Greenwald". He is a poster boy for ACLU paranoia.

From the wrong end of the telescope again
 

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What do you do with people who never learned that American citizens can't be imprisoned by Executive decree and without a trial, or that American journalists aren't imprisoned for stories they write about the Government's conduct?

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I ... have read much of the "incomparable Glenn Greenwald". He is a poster boy for ACLU paranoia.

[/ QUOTE ]"Paranoia"?The erosion of the habeas corpus principle means so little to you?

One sometimes wonders WTF are those "American values" that super-patriots get up in arms about.

Re: From the wrong end of the telescope again
 

Yeah, it's a great travesty than in the exigent circumstances of war time, terrorists/enemy comabatants haven't been treated more fairly.

Go ahead and talk about slippery slope now.

Re: For BCPVP: Why Right-Wingers Are a Clear and Present Danger
 

"You apparently turn them into Zeus-like Gods"

You forget to add John Adams, Woodrow Wilson, and FDR.
(And more than likely at least 10-20 other presidents)

-Zeno