2/4 mid pair
 

I used to limp with my middle pairs and play them for set value if the table was loose enough, but I had a downswing and decided to shake up my game.

Villian is 26/5/1 after only 25 hands, so I don't have much of a read.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 :#A500AF(Villian(26/5/1))/ calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 :#A500AF(Villian(26/5/1))/ calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Villian(26/5/1) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Villian(26/5/1) calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Villian(26/5/1) checks, Hero ...

Question: Should I check or bet here?
I'll post the river later if there is interest.

Re: 2/4 mid pair
 

Bet. He could have a flush draw or maybe made a loose call with something like AJ. A lower pocket pair is also possible.

Re: 2/4 mid pair
 

fire off again... i'd use the river card and villain's wtsd% to determine if i'd fire again on the river if checked to... if villain shows any aggression here on the turn or donk's the river, i fold UI

Re: 2/4 mid pair
 

What range should I put villian on?

Any two broadway + suited connectors?
Any two suited?

Random?

Re: 2/4 mid pair
 

Any 2 clubs that you think a 26/5 open limps with in MP1, lower pockets, hands like AJ/AT are possibilities, and also A6s. Obviously he can have Kx/66 or something like AQ, but it's an easy fold to a raise.

Re: 2/4 mid pair
 

Since the board is very draw heavy, and I don't think I've ever been able to get somebody with a draw to fold at 2/4, do you think there is any merit in checking with a plan on calling the river? Or is that just weak-tight thinking?

Edit: I'm going to sleep now, I'll reply in the morning.

Re: 2/4 mid pair
 

Bet turn, Bet river if he's fishy.

You have to bet this turn.

JT

Re: 2/4 mid pair
 

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Since the board is very draw heavy, and I don't think I've ever been able to get somebody with a draw to fold at 2/4, do you think there is any merit in checking with a plan on calling the river? Or is that just weak-tight thinking?


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You do realize you make money when he calls a bet on the turn with a draw even if he's correct in doing so? You make nothing when he decides to not bluff his busted draw on the river.

Re: 2/4 mid pair
 

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Since the board is very draw heavy, and I don't think I've ever been able to get somebody with a draw to fold at 2/4, do you think there is any merit in checking with a plan on calling the river? Or is that just weak-tight thinking?


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It's very important that you stop thinking this way. I'm not sure how long you've been playing, but it's a mistake a lot of new players make. You're not betting to FOLD the draws; you're betting to CHARGE the draws. You can't often get a flush draw to fold in a limit game (no matter what the limit), but to make up for the times that you lose the pot when your opponent's flush does get there, you need to collect a bet on the turn that you won't often get from him on the river.

-McGee

Re: 2/4 mid pair
 

bet the turn, check the river UI usually. el standardo.