Failed stack a donk vs random river aggro
 

Villain runs at 20/16/3. His turn aggro is 4.6 and his stats suggest he likes to float so I went for the stack a donk. Is this river a mandatory call?

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SB ($59.05)
BB ($11)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($95.25)</font>
MP ($72.75)
CO ($84.60)
<font color="#C00000">Button ($50)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, MP calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75, Button calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($7.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, MP folds, CO folds, Button calls $5.

Turn: ($17.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($17.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $17.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $43.25 (All-In)</font>, Hero....

Re: Failed stack a donk vs random river aggro
 

i guess anything is possible, but people generally don't play top pair or overpairs like this on the flop/turn. drawless flop too, except for 64/A4/45/56. mathematically, probably a bad call, but in reality who the hell knows.

Re: Failed stack a donk vs random river aggro
 

I call and have villain show A3s ftw.

Re: Failed stack a donk vs random river aggro
 

I just hate folding after putting in 1/2 my stack.

Re: Failed stack a donk vs random river aggro
 

definitely call.

You are only really behind 22/55/88 and he could easily be value towning worse

Re: Failed stack a donk vs random river aggro
 

Thats what I figured, especially since my hand looks fishy after the turn check.

Re: Failed stack a donk vs random river aggro
 

I think this is a reluctant fold, honestly. Villain is showing massive strength after we show massive strength. What hand is mistakenly value raising here? Is JJ raising expecting you to call with A8?

It's a bluff or a monster. I just don't see that many river bluff raise all-ins from villains. If any moderate hand thinks you're bluffing, they'll call.

Your psb really looks like a whiffed crai, too.

Re: Failed stack a donk vs random river aggro
 

So 1/2 you guys call and 1/2 fold...hmmm

Re: Failed stack a donk vs random river aggro
 

There is no way in hell you can fold here profitably.

Re: Failed stack a donk vs random river aggro
 

Generally stack-a-donk means that you get raised on the flop, then decide to c/r AI on the turn. In this hand he just called so there's no guarantee for a turn bet so I'd just continue firing EVEN with your stat read, I want value out of those 8's and pairs and 45s'. As played, against a good/thinking player I call this, your line looks pretty bluffy and the only hand that beats you is 3x.