NL400 77 Full house how to extract most (deep)
 

Reads : SB 36 12 , passive preflop AF by streets 2.3/2.6/2.9. Looks to me that he can read hands and fold etc. UTG+1 is a fish.

On to the hand. Ive been playing TAG.
I flop a full house from the bb, we are deep. Not sure if 310 is the right amount on turn. Comments on flop play to?


$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$1027.90</font>)
UTG+1 (<font color="#0000cc">$933.18</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$292.15</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$84.50</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$782.00</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$1137.15</font>)

Pre-flop: ($6, 6 players) Hero is BB 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $4, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, SB calls $2, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $18</font>, UTG+1 calls $14, SB calls $14

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($60, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $35</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $86</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $230</font>, SB calls $144

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($520, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $310</font>, <font color="#777777">SB folds</font>

Re: NL400 77 Full house how to extract most (deep)
 

i know we want to get the maximum in on the flop so that we can play for stacks in this hand, but i think to anyone who can read hands, your flop 3 bet is going to come across as very strong given that it's a paired board on the flop, giving you a much smaller range of hands because people make large semibluff raises on paired boards less often imo.

Given that you got a passive player to just take the lead in the hand while you are in position and can manipulate pot size to play for stacks without 3 betting the flop, i really like calling his raise and finding a way to get more money in on later streets.

As played i like the size of your turn bet.

Re: NL400 77 Full house how to extract most (deep)
 

If you are to bet the turn I'd just shove, he's not gonna call that turnbet with a draw anyway, and a shove should look weaker then a 300 bet (still representing a good hand, but often not a FH). I'm thinking we only get paid by 5x, AA/KK.. and sometimes a bluffcatcher when he thinks you got a draw, which a shove represents better then a smaller bet. And you shouldn't be worried about him putting you on a five, cause you cannot have it. All in all, shove &gt; smaller bet when thinking about his callingrange. And btw, I wouldn't hate checking back turn.

Re: NL400 77 Full house how to extract most (deep)
 

i like flatcalling his raise and 3betting a larger amount to align the pot for a turn shove both better than this.

Re: NL400 77 Full house how to extract most (deep)
 

flatting the flop raise is better than b/3b imo. gives him some rope as he's fairly aggro on later streets and also allows for the pot to be all in by showdown.

Re: NL400 77 Full house how to extract most (deep)
 

I'm all for fast playing, I'd make flop 3b to 200 to encourage a flush draw to tag along, bet 3/5ths of pot on turn (or just call if he bets)

really his range here is a 5 or a flush draw or a smallish overpair

if he has a 5 hes probably stacking off no matter what, a flush draw we gotta let him hit and you wont extract much vs a small overpair

Re: NL400 77 Full house how to extract most (deep)
 

i would bet more on the flop (about50$) to build a pot

Re: NL400 77 Full house how to extract most (deep)
 

how bout like 165 on turn so f/d tags along, maybe catches flush or A on river?

i really think a 5 shoves over you on the flop.

Re: NL400 77 Full house how to extract most (deep)
 

How about check turn you only have a minraise left and this way he can hang himself with 5x or rivered flush better. 65 def doesn't jam over the 3bet on the flop.
I think you kinda botched the hand by betting so small on the flop. Increasing the flop bet makes it a lot more likely you will get your stack in at some point during the hand.

Re: NL400 77 Full house how to extract most (deep)
 

Once you 3bet the flop, checking back the turn might be sexy. Sucks if he has a bare 5 and the river brings a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], but on the plus side he will always lead and always snap call a raise.