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vincenTTT 11-19-2007 03:46 PM

AK BvB 4bet cbet this?
 
Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $646.20
CO: $722.89
Button: $428.40
Hero: $534.02
BB: $453

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $14</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $44</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $99</font>, BB calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($198, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $125</font>, BB calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($448, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($448, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $310.02</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB calls all-in $229</font>.
Uncalled bets: $81.02 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $906

villain 19/15/5/24 ~1,5k hands

cbboy 11-19-2007 03:48 PM

Re: AK BvB 4bet cbet this?
 
4-bet more PF. I c/f flop. as played, I guess I push river...

vincenTTT 11-19-2007 03:53 PM

Re: AK BvB 4bet cbet this?
 
why 4bet more pf? i always 4bet this amount coz it makes 4bet bluffs not so expensive and mostly i have even with this betsize no problem to get it in on later streets..

$upermad4it 11-19-2007 03:54 PM

Re: AK BvB 4bet cbet this?
 
4 bet size is fine, but I check/fold flop also.

jamiezig 11-19-2007 04:01 PM

Re: AK BvB 4bet cbet this?
 
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why 4bet more pf? i always 4bet this amount coz it makes 4bet bluffs not so expensive and mostly i have even with this betsize no problem to get it in on later streets..

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here you're going to be oop w/a drawing hand post flop. no need to give him incentive to call you in a bloated pot where you're not going to know if you should cbet or not if you miss.

w/AK here, vs. most opponents i'd 4bet to like 145 and call a shove.

cbboy 11-19-2007 04:03 PM

Re: AK BvB 4bet cbet this?
 
145 is too big imo. I think 110 - 125 is a good size.

overAchiever 11-19-2007 05:17 PM

Re: AK BvB 4bet cbet this?
 
quick question, what does the 24 mean at end of stat line for him?

Looks like villian is TAG regular that is quite aggro postflop. I think you line is fine, maybe 4bet little bigger preflop since you are out of position (would be fine size I think if you were in position). I think cbet size is fine, what do you do if he pushes flop?

Since he is pretty aggro I think it would be kind of interesting and maybe quite good to CR him all in on the flop. If he does not bet that would be fine too, could hope to check it down, though that might be difficuly OOP against a villian this aggro. Reason I think CR allin might be good is he will frequently bet this flop when cheked to and fold to a raise, and even against jj,qq you have mayve 26% equity. (only problem is he might not put you on a monster if you CR allin because flop is so dry and it is a reraised pot).

I find these spots to be kind of tricky against a solid player because leading this flop is often not that believable but it does seem to get a fold a fair amount of time. I guess only extra factor I would really look at is his fold to cbet percentage, if it is close to 50 maybe this cbet won't be profitable because he will either have a hand or make a play on you too often on this flop.

As the flop was played I would have played turn and river the same ....


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