Sometimes I hate 8-way action.
 

Because it's hard to know where you're at. I'm not altogether happy with how I played this hand:

CAZ 20. Typical line-up. The ultimate villain in this hand is the player you want to play against, 'nuff said. There's only one fold to me in the SB holding 10-10. The suits didn't matter in the play of this hand. First thing: I think I'm supposed to raise here but it's one of my weaknesses that I often can't pull the trigger with anything less than Queens.

Flop:

9-6-5r. I bet, bunch of callers.

Turn: 3. I bet, couple of callers, villain raises, folded to me and I know he could have anything from TPTK, TP, or a set or straight but there's no way of knowing and the pot is huge. I call and the rest fold.

River: 10. He will likely bet if I check so I.........

Re: Sometimes I hate 8-way action.
 

I raise pre. Certain people will argue you should raise any pair pre, and I'd guess it's probably about even money to do so. TT is more than just any pair so I pop it.

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villain raises, folded to me and I know he could have anything from TPTK, TP, or a set or straight but there's no way of knowing and the pot is huge.

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A good reason to 3-bet if other players are still active (and call down UI).

River as played thusfar, yeah check-raise and crying call the 3-bet.

Re: Sometimes I hate 8-way action.
 

go for a checkraise on the flop

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c/r/f I call here pre-flop as well.

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c/r/f I call here pre-flop as well.

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wow based on your posts i'm really surprised you just limp in preflop. there's way too much value to not raise here

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I can't imagine folding this river ever, even if reraised after checkraising.

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c/r/f I call here pre-flop as well.

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yeah, don't fold to a river three bet.

I would raise PF as well. I think there's some value in it, but even if it's close to neutral, raising is fun. Just don't bet all flops and you'll be fine.

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Raising PF is correct to do... but I'm sitting here thinking about situations where I have been in SB with 88-TT with 6-7 limpers and I think I usually do not raise, but now realize it is wrong not to.

In response to haakee's 3-bet suggestion on Turn: I'm not sure why we would want to fold out only the hands we beat (TPGKs) and risk getting 4-bet by hands we are behind. Very read dependent on the raiser I guess.

As played C/R river and I still call the 3-bet because I am a payoff wizard.

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c/r/f I call here pre-flop as well.

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I could never fold for 1 bet v. this type of villain, the spastastic, non-hand reading, non-what a c/r means type especially in a pot this big. It was my plan to c/r but when he bet he looked so pleased with himself that I just called like a meek little pussycat. Not my usual style at all. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I know there's a ton of value in raising the 10's pf and routinely not raising with them is probably a hole in my game. I just can't bring myself to do it. One thing I don't like is that when they flop as just an over-pair the board comes bunched so often that, against 7 opponents, it's likely that many of them have hit it (there being no pf raise) and rather than dodging 1 bullet I've got to dodge a hail.

Still, I think I really ought to start raising pf with those 10's so I'm going to start doing it.

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go for a checkraise on the flop

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Good idea, but how many times have I seen the herd check thru? Too many times, that's how many times I've seen the herd check thru. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]