PL100 fullhouse reraised on turn
 

hi there. my first post on the omaha forum. hopefully not my last since im trying to learn this game.

What do you think of this hand?
Should I bet out on the flop? If i do that what to do if reraised?

What about the turn? Only QQ and 88 that beat me so i thought he would bet QQ on the flop.

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
7 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($5, 5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Button checks.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($5, 5 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4.27</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $17.56</font>, Hero calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($40.12, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $38.12</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $116.36


Other thoughts?

Re: PL100 fullhouse reraised on turn
 

First; include stacks in the hh.

I like the hand, although I often bet the flop. But I don't mind a check.

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stack sizes and reads?

w/ 100bb stacks against an unknown it's really close. I'd probably play it the same.

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Oh sorry didnt se that the converter didnt include them.

effective around 100.

no reads new to table.

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I play it the same.

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In truth, without a read I pee myself when he re-raises pot on the turn (at the 100 level). That's where I fold. Plenty of people won't bet QQ on that flop.

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In truth, without a read I pee myself when he re-raises pot on the turn (at the 100 level). That's where I fold. Plenty of people won't bet QQ on that flop.

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Wouldnt QQ atleast bet out on the turn?

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I would raise the river. I expect to find Q8 more often than QQ here. You guys think villain wouldn't play 8Q or 89 the same way here? So, just calling river is bad... he is never folding a FH

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I would raise the river. I expect to find Q8 more often than QQ here. You guys think villain wouldn't play 8Q or 89 the same way here? So, just calling river is bad... he is never folding a FH

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Yeah, shove river.

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I would raise the river. I expect to find Q8 more often than QQ here. You guys think villain wouldn't play 8Q or 89 the same way here? So, just calling river is bad... he is never folding a FH

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QQ, Q8, and 88 play the hand like this (98 if he's spewy).

We beat one of those.

If this flop was 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

And it checked around.

Then the turn was the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Then let's say you bet with the Q high flush and got raised... are you calling and then raising a blank river when bet into? No.

The only difference is that there is a chance that someone plays Q8 as if it is the nuts. But that's why we call the river (as opposed to the flush hand where a river fold is usually correct).

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I play exactly as seen.. Looks good on all streets. Too many players on teh flop to bet out IMO.

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I would raise the river. I expect to find Q8 more often than QQ here. You guys think villain wouldn't play 8Q or 89 the same way here? So, just calling river is bad... he is never folding a FH

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QQ, Q8, and 88 play the hand like this (98 if he's spewy).

We beat one of those.

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Ok, but there is one 88, three QQ and six Q8. Assuming he plays all these hands the same, which I think most people does, Q8 is much more likely than QQ and 88.

I don't think your analogy is any good. It's very likely that someone holds the A high flush, so we fold. In hold em it's much less likely that people have the nuts, so we play accordingly ...

If we can't shove the river here, we should fold the turn, since the pot is relatively small and villain's hand range hasn't changed between the turn and river.

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Snap call for 38bb...Dance if you win, reload if you lose...on to the next hand

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crying call.

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I think that calling turn and river is such a terrible line. This is either a fold or raise decision since the pot is very small compared to the total amount of money put in. This is basic poker thinking. I can't believe you're all advocating calling.

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If we can't shove the river here, we should fold the turn, since the pot is relatively small and villain's hand range hasn't changed between the turn and river.


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This is hilariously wrong.

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Why?

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Not every hand has to be played for stacks. It's not impossible to go into c/c mode in Omaha. You even used the word "range" in your answer. It's prefectly fine to c/c against someone's range if you think you are ahead of it overall but that a raise will only get action from the very top of it.

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As I said I think he will call with his entire range here. People don't fold Q8 here. I am assuming we are not super-deep.

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Dangerous assumption even at these levels.

2QQs, 6 Q8s, 1 88, and 1 89. QQ and 88 snap call all in. 89 will probably fold unless it's a fish. If you really believe all the players at 0.5/1 will call you with Q8 here over 50% of the time (what's needed to make a shove good), you should push here. But if it's a thinking player at all... Q8 is getting tossed well over 50% of the time here, even at 0.5/1 level.

EDIT: Once he potted the river his range also gets tilted toward the upper end of the range so in reality you really need significantly better than 50% chance that he's calling with Q8 to make a raise profitable. In other words, he needs to be a fish.

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As I said I think he will call with his entire range here. People don't fold Q8 here. I am assuming we are not super-deep.

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So if you think he has q8 40% of the time, do you still want to raise? Do you want to fold?

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In truth, without a read I pee myself when he re-raises pot on the turn (at the 100 level). That's where I fold. Plenty of people won't bet QQ on that flop.

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Wouldnt QQ atleast bet out on the turn?

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Wouldn't QQ c/r the turn knowing that the danger of having it checked through is minimal compared to the potential profit of a sweet check-raise?