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Minsk 10-31-2007 10:29 AM

Neat Hand, QQ 3bet pot
 
I run around 27/17 LAG, Villain just sat down the only hand i have with him he RR my cbet on TPJK. Would like some opinions on this hand I timed out thinking about it then folded. The only hand i could see him having to beat me was JJ but I couldnt put him on any hands that bluff the river.


Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $137.10
UTG: $101.50
CO: $98.50
BTN: $67.60
Hero (SB): $314.60

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $4</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $4, <font color="red">Hero raises to $17</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $13, BTN folds

Flop: ($39) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $26</font>, UTG calls $26

Turn: ($91) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($91) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $58.50 and is All-In</font>, Hero folds

Results: $91 Pot ($2 Rake)
UTG mucked and WON $89 (+$46 NET)

ikestoys 10-31-2007 10:37 AM

Re: Neat Hand, QQ 3bet pot
 
i'd like to know your reasoning for continuing on this flop. seems like a good flop to c/c.

jk3a 10-31-2007 10:37 AM

Re: Neat Hand, QQ 3bet pot
 
This is a really interesting spot. Many people might tell you pot odds + your line = snap call but I think fold is correct. Most players aren't sick enough to level you in a way that would have them checking the turn with air and bluffing the river. Nice hand.

Minsk 10-31-2007 10:43 AM

Re: Neat Hand, QQ 3bet pot
 
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i'd like to know your reasoning for continuing on this flop. seems like a good flop to c/c.


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because i continue 99% &amp; because i dont want to play the hand blind.

CobraGoat 10-31-2007 10:44 AM

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i'd like to know your reasoning for continuing on this flop. seems like a good flop to c/c.

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I was thinking the same thing. Villains range is TT+ AQ+, seems to me betting flop is folding out worse and building a bigger pot OOP against better.

ikestoys 10-31-2007 10:48 AM

Re: Neat Hand, QQ 3bet pot
 
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i'd like to know your reasoning for continuing on this flop. seems like a good flop to c/c.


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because i continue 99% &amp; because i dont want to play the hand blind.

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well thats a terrible reason to continue... not to mention your continuation bet percentage makes you very exploitable.

BobbyLight 10-31-2007 10:49 AM

Re: Neat Hand, QQ 3bet pot
 
If you take the check/call line are you folding to a turn bet?

Do work,

Rob

ikestoys 10-31-2007 11:12 AM

Re: Neat Hand, QQ 3bet pot
 
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If you take the check/call line are you folding to a turn bet?

Do work,

Rob

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Probably, in fact, I could c/f flop with a read on the villain bluffing tendencies.

-I'd c/c AK here also, so that balances out c/c with QQ. -Also, its reasonable that villain may be afraid were slowplaying a set (not that we would play it this way, but villain may be worried).
-Villain probably won't turn hands like AJ or similar hands into a bluff, hoping that he has showdown value.

Add this all up and I think his bluffing frequency is pretty low.

sightless 10-31-2007 11:41 AM

Re: Neat Hand, QQ 3bet pot
 
if you c/c with AK what do you do on turn

JediGrindTricks 10-31-2007 11:54 AM

Re: Neat Hand, QQ 3bet pot
 
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if you c/c with AK what do you do on turn

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if villain is aggressive, i'd like a crai since your hand is so underrepresented, hes putting you on a smaller pair TT-QQ if hes a thinking player and knows you'd have to fold those to more heat. If not you might want to lead?


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