Ok spot for a bluff?
 

Btn is a fairly nitty tag. Villain seems like a good tag of the 25/20 variety. Sometimes I squeeze here, this time I did not.

Main villain is co, only played about 200 hands vs him but so far, he seems solid. Seems to love to c/r turns and try generally tricky stuff, perhaps to a fault and at weird times imo but whatever, I've only seen a few and just thought the timing/board texture was weird.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $767.80
UTG: $106.35
MP: $102.20
CO: $200
BTN: $331.75
SB: $164

Pre-Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, MP calls $2, CO raises to $10, BTN calls $10, SB folds, Hero calls $8, MP folds

Flop: ($33) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($33) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $22, 1 fold, Hero raises to $72



I feel like he doesn't always have to have an A here, btn is set mining pretty much 100%, when he does, he doesn't have to go too many levels deep to realize that I know he has one and wouldn't make this move unless I could beat that A, right? Retarded?

Re: Ok spot for a bluff?
 

people dont fold on paired boards.

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I dislike it

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sl, I tend to agree that people don't fold to flop raises on paired boards but you don't think the fact that we're on the turn can work to our advantage here?

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But how often is he bluffing with air against two people, both of which can have an ace? I just don't think he's gonna have KQ or something here enough times. Don't forget that our setminer button can have 22 still.

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I don't like it. He'll probably think "I probably will be checking here with a lot of my range because I want cheep showdown, he'll realize that, and lead with a T to get calls from a wider range of hands".

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I believe you need to have a read that this guy can fold one pair hands. If you believe he will fold solid top pair hands like AJ in this spot, then I think this is a +EV bluff.

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I believe you need to have a read that this guy can fold one pair hands. If you believe he will fold solid top pair hands like AJ in this spot, then I think this is a +EV bluff.

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Obviously if he folds hands like AJ this is +EV, that's stating the obvious.

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I believe you need to have a read that this guy can fold one pair hands. If you believe he will fold solid top pair hands like AJ in this spot, then I think this is a +EV bluff.

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Obviously if he folds hands like AJ this is +EV, that's stating the obvious.

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The facter that determines the EV on this play is the players abiity to fold an ace not how often he has an ace. I didn't see it mentioned in OP. If that is obvious, my bad.

Re: Ok spot for a bluff?
 

yah, I didn't have a read that strong either way. He seemed to be a pretty good, looser tag so I assumed that if my line was credible he could fold an A.

Basically, I just sort of thought, hmm, if i were him I'd be in a pretty [censored] spot here if I got c/r'd some stack committing amount with AQ.

Re: Ok spot for a bluff?
 

I think he's calling this with any ace, but will fold quite often on the river if you follow through. If you plan for this going in then you can make the turn raise a little smaller, maybe a little less than 3x, to make the river more of a psb.

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What double eagle said and I think he does call turn a lot but folds river, so I think you should do it only w/ intention of shoving river. This is all only if he's a good player.
It's kinda FPS for sure, but if you like the spot go for it I say. Besides, bluffing is fun.
It sucks if you don't bet river though.

Meh, just don't do this often or at all. Not really necessary. Looks fun though.

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yeah, i think you'd have to be ready to fire river again

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i dont like it, because if he calls you are screwed on the river):

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oh yah, I'm def shoving any river if called. good point about the raise size..it's too big.

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I don't like it at all. This is a card that should help CO more than it should help you. He may stack off here even if you are representing an unorthodox trips line. Maybe I'm a nit but I just don't see the point in this spot. I think over-analyzing the hand is costly but I may be wrong. This is a fairly small pot and he likes his hand amongst two other players.

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But bluffing is fun, and if you get caught just make sure you put a note on everyone at the table cause they'll never believe you again.

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and most importantly it's fun! this one suck though right:
Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $219.60
SB: $598.90
Hero (BB): $594.80
UTG: $398
CO: $344

Pre-Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $16</font>, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($32) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $20</font>, Hero calls $20

Turn: ($72) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $40</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $120</font>, SB folds

Results: $152 Pot ($2 Rake)
Hero mucked 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and WON $150 (+$74 NET)

looking back on it, it worked but it kinda sucks huh?