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Aquadougs 11-28-2007 09:55 AM

NL50: Call raise preflop and flops TPGK. Villain cbets.
 
Villain: 20/13/3 (103)

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (CO): $65.67
BTN: $65.63
SB: $51
BB: $38.41
UTG: $61.86
MP: $44.75

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">MP raises to $2.50</font>, Hero calls $2.50, 4 folds

Flop: ($6.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $4</font>, Hero...


Was my call ok preflop?
What about postflop? I use to raise here to protect my hand, but now i called. What is best most of the time?

Spurious 11-28-2007 09:59 AM

Re: NL50: Call raise preflop and flops TPGK. Villain cbets.
 
3bet or fold preflop.

as played we can call here and see what he does on the turn, if we raise we turn our hand into a bluff.
he could have anything here.

you see AQ,QQ+ here quite often.

Nick Royale 11-28-2007 10:14 AM

Re: NL50: Call raise preflop and flops TPGK. Villain cbets.
 
Fold preflop call the flop.

tweak 11-28-2007 10:14 AM

Re: NL50: Call raise preflop and flops TPGK. Villain cbets.
 
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3bet or fold preflop.

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precisely

I raise to 15 and fold to a push.

tweak 11-28-2007 10:16 AM

Re: NL50: Call raise preflop and flops TPGK. Villain cbets.
 
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Fold preflop call the flop.

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do you see no merits in 3 betting Nick?

Nick Royale 11-28-2007 10:25 AM

Re: NL50: Call raise preflop and flops TPGK. Villain cbets.
 
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Fold preflop call the flop.

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do you see no merits in 3 betting Nick?

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I don't see enough value in playing this hand after a utg limp and a raise from a pretty passive player in MP. MPs pfr range here probably isn't very wide and we're not in that good shape vs it. We're in even worse shape vs his calling range of a 3-bet. If we raise we're getting called by any hand that dominates us, we're not getting called by hands we dominate much (maybe KJs/QJs) and the rest of the time we're in flippish situation vs 77+ or something. Re-raising is probably better than calling, but I wouldn't do that without knowing MP is weak vs 3-bets and opens a reasonably wide range in situations like this.

JackOfPain 11-28-2007 11:17 AM

Re: NL50: Call raise preflop and flops TPGK. Villain cbets.
 
Since he is just an agressive player he could make this play with absolutely nothing. I often make plays like this with nothing at all. Re-evaluate at the turn or be prepared to lay it down if he reraises.

Lego05 11-28-2007 11:18 AM

Re: NL50: Call raise preflop and flops TPGK. Villain cbets.
 
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Fold preflop call the flop.

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matrix 11-28-2007 12:35 PM

Re: NL50: Call raise preflop and flops TPGK. Villain cbets.
 
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Fold preflop call the flop.

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check through turn call or make a halfpot ish VB on a nice river.

HighOctane 11-28-2007 02:10 PM

Re: NL50: Call raise preflop and flops TPGK. Villain cbets.
 
Why are you calling preflop? If you think your K or Q will be a good TP hand against this opponent then OK (like he's raised the last 6 hands or something). or he will check every time he misses and you can steal. Otherwise, you just put yourself in a tough spot for nothing and should have just folded preflop. I think cold calling KQ is a leak at this limit.


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