$30/$60, AA2s 3-way, coordinated flop
 

after the flop i was pretty sure i was playing for 1/4...

no real reads... who plays it different?

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Limit: $30/$60
7 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (7 players) hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8.5SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO caps</font>, hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (10.25BB, 3 players)
hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, CO calls, hero calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (13.25BB, 3 players)
hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, CO calls, hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 16.25BB

Re: $30/$60, AA2s 3-way, coordinated flop
 

Hi Dave - UTG evidently reads both you and CO for the nut low because of the way you played on the first two betting rounds. UTG probably has a straight and I'm guessing you and CO quartered each other for low.

I think the jamming on the second betting round was a bit much. Now you're stuck for two more big bets because you'll show less of a loss by staying than by folding.

Buzz

Re: $30/$60, AA2s 3-way, coordinated flop
 

I think once MP1 folds and makes it three remaining a call of the flop raise is in order. The PF jamming was probably enough to keep our heads above water.

Re: $30/$60, AA2s 3-way, coordinated flop
 

give up dave just give up.....

Re: $30/$60, AA2s 3-way, coordinated flop
 

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Hi Dave - UTG evidently reads both you and CO for the nut low because of the way you played on the first two betting rounds. UTG probably has a straight and I'm guessing you and CO quartered each other for low.

I think the jamming on the second betting round was a bit much. Now you're stuck for two more big bets because you'll show less of a loss by staying than by folding.

Buzz

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tough to not lead on this sort of flop with AA2, but I guess the 3-bet might be a spew... what line are you advocating here?

Re: $30/$60, AA2s 3-way, coordinated flop
 

i play it the same but i check raise the turn if re raised then just call, if checked on turn obv fire on river.....you gave up too soon on it bro, missed atleast 1 bet

Re: $30/$60, AA2s 3-way, coordinated flop
 

omg u have a flush draw too wow your a nit

Re: $30/$60, AA2s 3-way, coordinated flop
 

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omg u have a flush draw too wow your a nit

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Yup. I was going to postpone results a little longer, but here are the actual hands/EVs on the turn. Ended up being an ultra-cooler. I was in 2nd place on the flop, but fell behind to 3rd place on the turn... really sick. I'm still open for pre-flop/flop/turn discussions... I can't see any other line except check-call on the river. I'm proud of myself for not losing additional money on this one, as played.

Omaha Hi: 36 enumerated boards containing 6s 5s 7c 4h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
8s 9c Ad 2d 26 72.22 10 27.78 0 0.00 0.722
4c 2c Ah 7h 4 11.11 32 88.89 0 0.00 0.111
As 2s Ac 8c 6 16.67 30 83.33 0 0.00 0.167

Re: $30/$60, AA2s 3-way, coordinated flop
 

Well played, just be glad the other A2 didn't "make a move" with his second best high. Certainly that would be a danger in the 30/60 on Stars.

gl

bdd

Re: $30/$60, AA2s 3-way, coordinated flop
 

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hero bets, UTG calls, MP1 folds, CO raises, hero 3-bets, UTG calls, CO caps, hero calls, UTG calls.

[/ QUOTE ]Hi Dave - I like the lead on the second betting round. But you're swinging your bat ahead of the ball. In other words, your timing for whipsawing is off.

Either CO or UTG could have the same nut low as you, or either of them could have the second nut low draw (or worse). There's no realistic way to knock out someone who also has the nut low. And while you'd like to at least make it expensive for someone with the second nut low, it's one round too early.

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what line are you advocating here?

[/ QUOTE ]Considering this particular situation, I'd just call the raise on the second betting round.

It might not make much difference this particular time. But I'm sure you agree that you don't generally want to back yourself into a position where you lose the initiative and you're check/calling the last two betting rounds. With your cards, you want to somehow be the one in command, to bet or raise and make it tough on your opponents. But you lost that, partly because of the cards your opponents held, partly because of the turn card, partly because of the too early jamming combined with the pre-flop raise, and partly because UTG is good enough that you ended up allowing him/her to get a good enough read to seize the initiative.

At least that's how it looks from the rail.

Buzz