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Oink 11-30-2007 06:26 AM

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CO is like 28/20/1.4 or so over about 500 hands.

$5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 4 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#FF0000">CO 3-bets</font>, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero caps!</font>, CO calls.

Flop: (9.60 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (5.80 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (7.80 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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wow, why?

Feel free to enlighten me cuz I dont get it.

mvoss 11-30-2007 07:26 AM

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Isn't this a standard bet/3-bet?

Wolfram 11-30-2007 07:26 AM

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If you go for the sexy you'll get a bet/call from Kx. You might get a little value from inducing too.

But you'll get checked behind by 2-pair, sets, 8x etc. And you won't have the opportunity to b/3b if he overplays a king.

Seems like loss of value to me.

TheHip41 11-30-2007 07:29 AM

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too fancy

Hobbs. 11-30-2007 08:19 AM

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not sexy

Adam Stewart 11-30-2007 10:14 AM

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On the turn, villain most likely has you beat - especially considering his range of hands. He's probably caught a piece of the board with a Queen, or a Ten, or maybe has a pocket pair.

That said, you have a strong draw (nut flush, nut gutshot, overcards)

As indicated above, villain likely has some sort of a hand, so you have very little bluff equity here.

Accordingly, you should check the turn.

If villain then checks through --&gt; Great, free card.

If villain bets the turn --&gt; you're getting neary 7:1 money with your strong draw, so it's an easy call.

From there, check/fold the river unimproved.

However, since you improved on the river to the straight... I don't any need to get fancy. The board would be pretty scarey for a paired queen or pocket pair, so if you check it'll probably just get checked through behind you.

Value bet the river and expect a call.



Adam

Wolfram 11-30-2007 10:25 AM

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Sex·y·i·tis
–noun Pathology.

A compulsive need to crush souls rather than win money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipZDG6__Zfc

KitCloudkicker 11-30-2007 10:36 AM

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miles you know if any noob suggested taking this line you'd rip him a new one.

acehole60 11-30-2007 10:41 AM

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b/3b eod.

ILOVEPOKER929 11-30-2007 01:12 PM

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Miles, just to make sure you werent on to something here I did some math, put villain on a range and made some assumptions that was probably biased towards a check/raise strategy and Bet/3bet still came out ahead.

The only way I can see C/R being better than B/3bet here is if we make the assumption that the villain will just call the river some percentage close to 100% with the 8 combos of KQ(only 8 cuz K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] would raise turn) and the 2 combos of KTs. When I did the math I assumed villain would raise the river 100% of the time with KQ/KT.

In constructing my ranges I also assumed this was a CO vs BTN situation since it was 4 handed.


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