Zero Sum Blackjack: Possible?
 

Is there a rule set (like allowing surrender, double down after splitting, etc) that would make blackjack a zero sum game (assume continuous shuffling) without offering goofy things like a blackjack pay-out of 6.594-to-5 or other silly things to make the numbers even out?

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The probabilities are quite complex -- and I seriously doubt that a basic strategy and set of rules could create a dead-even game. I think you could get to within about .0005 or so. Why is parity important?

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6 Deck, Double Any Two, NO double after split, European no hole card, Resplit allowed except aces, early surrender.

0% for 6 decks according to Blackjack advantage calculator

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As I recall, single deck, S16, double any NDAS is pretty close to even, but I don't think it's exact. If you really are looking for precisely zero sum for a home game or something, just rotate the dealer. Of course, the dealer has to have the bankroll to cover all the player bets.

Edit:
Comes up as +0.02% on the blackjack calculator site linked above.

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The probabilities are quite complex -- and I seriously doubt that a basic strategy and set of rules could create a dead-even game. I think you could get to within about .0005 or so. Why is parity important?

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A blackjack game a 0% house advantage would be a very very profitable play provided the casio doesn't track the play with a net theo of 0%.

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A blackjack game a 0% house advantage would be a very very profitable play provided the casio doesn't track the play with a net theo of 0%.

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You were speaking of a game with CSM -- I don't see how that could be profitable for anybody but the house. In an online casino, the house would benefit from the value of the float. In both online and B&M the casino would benefit from less than perfect play. How could the player benefit?

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A blackjack game a 0% house advantage would be a very very profitable play provided the casio doesn't track the play with a net theo of 0%.

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You were speaking of a game with CSM -- I don't see how that could be profitable for anybody but the house. In an online casino, the house would benefit from the value of the float. In both online and B&M the casino would benefit from less than perfect play. How could the player benefit?

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A blackjack game a 0% house advantage would be a very very profitable play provided the casio doesn't track the play with a net theo of 0%.

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You were speaking of a game with CSM -- I don't see how that could be profitable for anybody but the house. In an online casino, the house would benefit from the value of the float. In both online and B&M the casino would benefit from less than perfect play. How could the player benefit?

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Ah, yes. "very very profitable". Online you might be able to squeak $1 an hour -- at a B&M club, you could destroy your liver in about 20 years.

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A blackjack game a 0% house advantage would be a very very profitable play provided the casio doesn't track the play with a net theo of 0%.

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You were speaking of a game with CSM -- I don't see how that could be profitable for anybody but the house. In an online casino, the house would benefit from the value of the float. In both online and B&M the casino would benefit from less than perfect play. How could the player benefit?

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Ah, yes. "very very profitable". Online you might be able to squeak $1 an hour -- at a B&M club, you could destroy your liver in about 20 years.

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You are correct if you are talking about someone that bets $5 a hand.

Even at an online casino that gives 0.1% of cash back this play would worth be at least a $500 per hour (assuming $500 bets).

Step that up to $1000 (or even higher)bets at a B&M casino in Vegas or AC (or other gaming markets as well) and the comps will add up very quickly.

If a Vegas B&M casino offered a BJ game with 0% house advantage, rated play at the same rate as a standard BJ game, and had decent limits on the game, that casino would never have an empty seat at the game. It would be filled with pros, all of whom would be betting the limit and always asking for the limit to be raised.

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hoqua,

What planet are you on?