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winnnar 11-27-2007 11:25 PM

NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 
Villain is 15/14 over 70 hands. We are both very deepstacked. I think I gave him way too much respect here. Lead flop or C/R flop? What is a good line to take here?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: $28.20
UTG: $40.50
CO: $23.30
BTN: $32.90
Hero (SB): $59.30

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.90, BB folds

Flop: ($2.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($6.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($6.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

NeverScurred 11-27-2007 11:29 PM

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 
With 100BB stacks this is a fold preflop every time, but deepstacked I guess I don't mind your call too much. On the flop, you should be looking for ways to get a lot of money into the pot. Either C/R of B/3B. Either should be fine, and I'm really not sure which I prefer. C/C is pretty gross, though.

mickb70 11-27-2007 11:39 PM

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 
This is about as good a flop as you could hope for. 12 outs to the nuts. If you aren't building the pot here then fold pre-flop.

mdwexford 11-28-2007 12:19 AM

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 
Lead the flop and get it in if possible.
Check calling is the worst option as was said above.

simonpoker 11-28-2007 12:49 AM

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 
Your OPP so you have to play it agressively, check raise it to ~5.5 and pot the that turn, you want FE with your hand.

Carte Blanche 11-28-2007 02:55 AM

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 
Not a big fan of a CR here. What do you hope to accomplish? If he pushes youre prob behind altho not much. If hes calling youre in a bad spot if the turn is a blank. The only thing youre really hoping for is a fold.

I like a bet-3betpush. If he calls Id bet 2/3 pot on any turn and fold to a push. I think you have about the same FE with that line and you get to see the turn cheaper. I dont mind the way you played it either. Vs this guy I probably bet half pot river, youll get looked up by JJ, QJ often enough I think. I cant see him bluffing with much on the river make checking more worthwhile.

Burcak 11-28-2007 03:50 AM

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 
Imo this is an easy, easy fold since we are behind his range, and play a pot oop with big stacks.

rakes.a.beach 11-28-2007 04:12 AM

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 
bet/3bet or cr is much better than c/c

Super Acct 11-28-2007 04:45 AM

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 
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bet/3bet or cr is much better than c/c

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ama0330 11-28-2007 07:21 AM

Re: NL25 NFD GSSD I lost a lot of value
 
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With 100BB stacks this is a fold preflop every time

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No, its not. Why do people keep making broad statements like this


OP, on the flop you should raise, bet and do whatever to get money in. You have a very strong draw and you should be looking to take advantage of that equity. As played, I think you should be betting the river because if he has an ace he has played it very weakly.


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