$400NL. KJ- turn line?
 

Villain is "ffoxffire" on PP and runs 17/8/5 or something like that over a decent sample. No recent history at all. UTG limper is a big fish. like 60/5/0.5 or something (I don't really remember and its not important at all anyway).

Party Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$2/$4 Blinds
6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $392.18
BB: $428.00
UTG: $214.44
Hero (MP): $626.00
CO: $630.58
BTN: $129.04

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $4.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $18.00</font>, CO calls $18.00, 3 folds, UTG calls $14.00

Flop: ($60) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $42.00</font>, CO calls $42.00, UTG folds

Turn: ($144) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ....!??!!?

What is the best line to take on the turn here? What is his range here after the flop call?

Re: $400NL. KJ- turn line?
 

Any idea of how he plays his flopped sets/draws would really help here. If he plays pretty ABC I bet for value on the turn, and probably check most rivers if called.

Re: $400NL. KJ- turn line?
 

$120, fold to a raise

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I haven't played with him that much. The sample is mostly datamined. I would assume that he raises the flop with sets since its a pretty drawy board (although he could call trying to entice UTG to call as well).

AA,

Say we bet the turn and he calls. You say check most rivers, is that a c/c or c/f?

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I haven't played with him that much. The sample is mostly datamined. I would assume that he raises the flop with sets since its a pretty drawy board (although he could call trying to entice UTG to call as well).

AA,

Say we bet the turn and he calls. You say check most rivers, is that a c/c or c/f?

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c/c obv (on a blank)

Re: $400NL. KJ- turn line?
 

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I haven't played with him that much. The sample is mostly datamined. I would assume that he raises the flop with sets since its a pretty drawy board (although he could call trying to entice UTG to call as well).

AA,

Say we bet the turn and he calls. You say check most rivers, is that a c/c or c/f?

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c/c obv (on a blank)

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I'm definitely not always check/calling on a blank.

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I haven't played with him that much. The sample is mostly datamined. I would assume that he raises the flop with sets since its a pretty drawy board (although he could call trying to entice UTG to call as well).

AA,

Say we bet the turn and he calls. You say check most rivers, is that a c/c or c/f?

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c/c obv (on a blank)

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I'm definitely not always check/calling on a blank.

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oh yeah for sure, i'd def go for value a decent amount too (depending on his aggression etc). but i meant if we check, we have to call

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I haven't played with him that much. The sample is mostly datamined. I would assume that he raises the flop with sets since its a pretty drawy board (although he could call trying to entice UTG to call as well).

AA,

Say we bet the turn and he calls. You say check most rivers, is that a c/c or c/f?

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c/c obv (on a blank)

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I'm definitely not always check/calling on a blank.

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oh yeah for sure, i'd def go for value a decent amount too (depending on his aggression etc). but i meant if we check, we have to call

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No I mean I may check/fold to some people on a blank.

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I haven't played with him that much. The sample is mostly datamined. I would assume that he raises the flop with sets since its a pretty drawy board (although he could call trying to entice UTG to call as well).

wow really? even when he

AA,

Say we bet the turn and he calls. You say check most rivers, is that a c/c or c/f?

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c/c obv (on a blank)

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I'm definitely not always check/calling on a blank.

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oh yeah for sure, i'd def go for value a decent amount too (depending on his aggression etc). but i meant if we check, we have to call

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No I mean I may check/fold to some people on a blank.

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wow really? even when he can conceivably value bet worse, tons of draws miss, which he is more likely to call the turn with since we are 150bb. plus most players would rarely slowplay a big hand 150bb deep on a board this drawy.

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Actually ignore me, too tired to think properly atm. I wouldn't check/fold, though I do think people greatly overestimate the frequency this guy is going to bluff this river and I don't think he is ever value betting worse.