109$ Basic hand
 

Wingos Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG+1 (t4060)
MP1 (t1980)
MP2 (t2000)
MP3 (t1960)
CO (t2040)
Hero (t1940)
SB (t2020)
BB (t2000)
UTG (t2000)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t80</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls t80, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (t220) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t120</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t520</font>,


thoughts?

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

Fold preflop. Fold flop.

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

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I would certainly fold preflop and Im fairly convinced its not worth calling unless the opponent is particularly weak.

Please dont fold the flop. I like the flop raise. Most villains will fold a large part of their range here and our equity is obviously good if they call.

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

You sick Lag, nice flop.

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

I think you meant to make this one a 1k sng, Al? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

lol I do have a history of that, but this WAS a 109

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

probly fold preflop. once you get there, flop raise is a must as our equity divebombs on the turn. I think 400 gets just as many fold as 520 and obv its good to save chips, but it also makes our stack less awkward when called so play later in the hand is easier.

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

ty, is calling really non standard there?

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

if you were deeper it'd be better obv, but the whole chips we win are worth less than the chips we lose thing makes taking slightly +chipEV spots early something we don't want to do. calling pre here isn't standard for me, but i may be a little nittier in the early levels than most. For some reason this post made me think of part one of this post , so I'm linking it.

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

AL I really thought this might be one of your famous (fake) hand posts, but it is an interesting situation.

Not shallow enough to push on the flop, but not deep enough to raise without committing yourself. I can see some reasons to call on the flop.

I like your raise, you might not get paid off with a heart on the turn if you call here, and you might take it down unopposed on the flop with a raise. Plus sometimes you can fold a higher flush draw with a raise on the flop.

I think if you're going to call preflop, you want to play it aggressively on a flop like this.

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

The only thing I would do differently is raise less on the flop. t400 on the flop.

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

i like the raise but i dont think flat calling would be all that bad here.

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

1. Fold preflop for sure

2. I'd call the flop for sure. When you raise you have to call any reraise, so it's kind of annoying to risk all your chips here, even though you will have pretty good equity. I sort of like just calling, and not putting all your eggs in one basket. I mean after calling, you have only invested 10% of your chips. In a SNG I'd rather take the safer route like this, still keep a ton of equity and also give yourself some cheaper bluff opportunities on later streets.

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

dont you think by raising we fold out alot of 88ish type hands that we dont want to go showdown with, I really felt like FE wwas important here

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

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dont you think by raising we fold out alot of 88ish type hands that we dont want to go showdown with, I really felt like FE wwas important here

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The pot is still small and you have position. Also if they have 88, you may be able to take it away later.

In a cash game I'd often just raise and get it allin, just gambling is significantly worse early in SNGs.

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

WTF is Wingos? Those stacks look funny.

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

Curtains is right

I call flop. We're still going to buttrape 88 type of hands regardless of what happens because we are alreturnslol and we are the sickest of all time

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

Who is the sickest LAG of all time?

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

If villain shoves then we are calling, therefore I think it's better just to shove first in this situation. This bet presents a problem if villain flat calls and we miss the turn. Shoving the flop looks a bit desperate but avoids the small risk of the flat call by a sicko with AK.

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

if villain has AK he is most certainly not folding it on this flop. that said, why would shoving be better (or raising be good at all?), when putting him on TPTK? or am i misunderstanding your post?

Re: 109$ Basic hand
 

I wasn't specifically putting villain on AK, I was just using this as an example (I suppose the same could be said of KQ). I would include these hands in his range though. I was just saying that if he does have AK and decides to call the raise (probably much more likely to push) then we could end up in an awkward position on the turn if we don't hit. I'm not totally against flat calling - although we can run into higher flushes if we hit (which I think villain is more likely to fold if we shove - QJ,QT,JT) and we don't get paid off that much when we do hit and villain doesn't hold much.

Sorry, to get back on point, the push wasn't meant to cause AK to fold, it was just to avoid a possibly difficult situation on the turn if the villain plays the hand in a particular way.