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1fog 01-17-2006 04:04 AM

Q7, the computer hand?
 
Watching the high stakes no-limit game on GSN and they said Q7 is referred to as the computer hand, like it was common knowledge. I don't see the relation.

gilbert 01-17-2006 04:17 AM

Re: Q7, the computer hand?
 
something about how Q7 makes more straights or two pair or something more than any other hand.

the reason it's called the computer hand is because it's odds were run on a computer a long time ago or something.

Schwartzy61 01-17-2006 04:23 AM

Re: Q7, the computer hand?
 
I think it's because it took a computer to prove that it was the Median hand, meaning half of all hands are stronger than Q7 and half of all hands are weaker than Q7...

uDevil 01-17-2006 05:42 AM

Re: Q7, the computer hand?
 
FWIW, from CardPlayer:

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computer hand: Q-7. Comes from an apocryphal story that "someone" did an extensive computer simulation of hold'em hands in which those two cards appeared most frequently in the flop, or, in some stories, among the downcards. The simulation was atypical, however, because the chances are the same for any two cards of different ranks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Nomad84 01-17-2006 09:25 PM

Re: Q7, the computer hand?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I think it's because it took a computer to prove that it was the Median hand, meaning half of all hands are stronger than Q7 and half of all hands are weaker than Q7...

[/ QUOTE ]

I've also heard it said on TV that computer simulations show that Q7o is the median hand. I assumed this meant in a heads up situation preflop.

VickreyAuction 01-17-2006 09:51 PM

Re: Q7, the computer hand?
 
I heard that Q7o is the median hand in a heads up PF situation. But it comes out at a 51.766% favorite against a random hand on PokerTracker.

SocalHoldEem 01-18-2006 04:20 AM

Re: Q7, the computer hand?
 
q4 is the true median hand according to andy beal's simulations

gobboboy 01-18-2006 04:47 AM

Re: Q7, the computer hand?
 
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q4 is the true median hand according to andy beal's simulations

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Q4s is.

SammyKid11 01-18-2006 07:25 AM

Re: Q7, the computer hand?
 
On PokerStove, Q5o is the closest I can find to "totally even" against a random hand. Q4s is about a 51% fave and Q4o is about a 49% dog. Q5o is 50.12 to 49.88....though in different situations, different hands can come really, really close. Q7 is definitely a very slight favorite, though.

Man of Means 01-18-2006 10:24 AM

Re: Q7, the computer hand?
 
I got J5s coming in at 49.987% equity against a random hand on Poker Stove. Closer to median than Q5o's 50.120%


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