first hand for villain
 

4handed. first hand against this dude and its his first round. he opens in the co and i 3bet and he calls.

flop is 589 with 2 spades. he crs and i call.

turn pairs the 9. he bets and i call.

river is offsuit j. he checks and calls with 33.

what can we immediately think of this guy?

Re: first hand for villain
 

That you should valuebet him to death?

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The best piece of info from this hand is that he seems to prefer c/c to b/f.

You can take more obviously but I think pf/flop/turn are standardish for him and tell you a bit but not too much.

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villain don't like money and is a retardo-donk

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why? This is 4 handed. I've seen crazier play with 33 on scarier board from good players.

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why? This is 4 handed. I've seen crazier play with 33 on scarier board from good players.

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i agree. only the river action really matters. it's like he realizes that the J is not a good card for him, but he loves to sd so he check calls. most players who would play flop+turn like this would value bet the river. but then again, maybe he's only doing this right now because he doesn't know you yet. not very much info in this one hand.

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"The best piece of info from this hand is that he seems to prefer c/c to b/f. "

this makes sense. i look at it more along these lines tho: villain doesnt realize that he should value bet marginal hands oop bc if he checks he will always pay a bet when behind. he doesnt realize that any sane player will check behind ace high and value bet nearly all pairs. he doesnt handread well enough to see thats the usual range of a 3bettor.

anyway, i thought it was kinda interesting because when he did that i immediately labeled him as wackjob did. however, after playing a few hundred hands his stats showed that he could be considered competent. of course he isnt tho.

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why? This is 4 handed. I've seen crazier play with 33 on scarier board from good players.

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the river shows a lack of fundamental understanding of poker in general imo.

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This is spot on with river action. He probably told himself he "checked to induce".

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Versus an unknown at 10/20 his line is fine. Getting raised on this river sucks, people make retardocheck behinds with better hands and people make retardobets with KQ or whatever.

Versus someone playing well the river is close between c/f and b/f. I would b/f here.

Edit: With the expectation AK/AQ call me.