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z28dreams 11-07-2007 02:57 PM

KK vs A55 flop
 
Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $29.45
MP: $25.85
CO: $17.10
BTN: $23
SB: $28.15
BB: $25

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $0.85</font>, 3 folds, SB calls $0.75, BB folds

Flop: ($1.95) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.95) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $1

River: ($5.95) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $3</font>, Hero ???

Ughh..

Only have about 10 hands with villain and he's 24/20 (though his isn't even really statistically relevant)

Sometimes I bet flop here, sometimes I check behind. The board wasn't too drawy so I was hoping to get a little value out of villain.

Baintz 11-07-2007 03:02 PM

Re: KK vs A55 flop
 
Don't mind the flop check at all. Often gets value from bluffs and lower PPs.
Turn bet I like about $1.5. Flop check followed by weak turn bet may lead villain to think he can move you off this hand.

As played fold to raise on turn. He is following up a turn c/r with a river bet pretty often.

buttonpusher 11-07-2007 03:04 PM

Re: KK vs A55 flop
 
I always bet the flop in these spots. If i get played back on the flop I let the hand go, if i just get called I slow down and am done with the hand.

I really don't think you can get value out of any hands that you beat, so I suggest trying to take the hand down with a pot sized bet.

As played i fold the river.

Profish2285 11-07-2007 03:05 PM

Re: KK vs A55 flop
 
I like the flop check, I bet 1.5 also on the turn, and give up to his c/r.

Logun 11-07-2007 03:15 PM

Re: KK vs A55 flop
 
bet more on the turn and fold to his c/r

Just going to put this out there - how bad is checking the flop AND turn?

conversely if you C-bet a LOT then is c-betting this flop bad?

Anyone?

Profish2285 11-07-2007 04:10 PM

Re: KK vs A55 flop
 
How much is alot? Do you c-bet more than 80-85%? If you do it that much, I would say at a level where people pay attention then you most definitely HAVE to bet here. HOWEVER, at these levels most dont pay attention so unless youre up against a reg, betting on this flop is a waste.

gumpzilla 11-07-2007 04:22 PM

Re: KK vs A55 flop
 
I think I'd call the river.

If you're c-betting most flops, then this line that you've taken looks very much like a pair that didn't like the look of that A. Your opponent is playing accordingly (what else is he c/r'ing on that 9 for?). Maaaybe he has a 5 or something goofy like A9 somehow, but I think this has a strong chance to be a bluff based on the line you've taken and you only need to win 25% of the time.

(EDIT: All this is to say that I'd usually, though not always, cbet this flop.)

thoman8r 11-07-2007 04:35 PM

Re: KK vs A55 flop
 
I call the river because villain's line looks like crap. Why would he check an Ace or a set twice? This looks more like some donkey that has decided your FOS. You're getting 3:1 and I think villain has complete air or maybe a random 9 at least that much.


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