Two bluff lines (NL200)
 

In this hand the villain is crackleback. He's not exactly good, but he plays back more than most bad players without being a complete fish. He's definitely spewy though, but can lay down marginal hands. He seems to love to float. I only have 400 hands on him, but I have him at 33.4/9.8/1.54 with a fold to cbet of only 58%. Is this better than firing like $42 on the turn? Is c/f just the best play here all the time?

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MP2 ($261.05)
MP3 ($150.05)
CO ($157.90)
Button ($201.95)
SB ($101.95)
Hero ($200)
UTG ($201.80)
UTG+1 ($219.50)
MP1 ($312.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, MP1 calls $10, CO folds, SB folds.

Flop: ($28) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, MP1 calls $20.

Turn: ($68) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $30</font>, Hero raises to $85



This is vs. a complete unknown. I'll take my chances playing this in position vs. an unknown who opens for 3x in MP3 although I'm sure some of you will hate preflop. I call the flop because I likely have the best hand and there is no sense of raising since he won't call with anything I beat. On the turn I figure him for at least the same hand as me, but probably an overpair. I figure that I can rep a set since I wouldn't raise it on this dry of a flop very often. The small raise is intended to get called. I did this because it reps a big hand while enticing him to call on the turn. It also gets me more money when it works than just straight shoving the turn or raising to like $120 and having him be committed. It also sets up a shove for about 90% pot on the river which will look really strong. I planned on shoving all rivers pretty much (maybe not K or Q). Thoughts? Is it better to just call turn and then fold river UI or check behind? Should I just fold the turn?


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Hero ($236.95)
Button ($38)
SB ($118)
BB ($119.65)
UTG ($210.35)
UTG+1 ($52.40)
MP1 ($145.40)
MP2 ($223.50)
MP3 ($255.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $6</font>, Hero calls $6, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($15) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12.

Turn: ($39) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $28</font>, Hero raises to $68

Re: Two bluff lines (NL200)
 

hand 1- OK w/ read

hand 2- not ready to bluff w/ TPTK just yet

Re: Two bluff lines (NL200)
 

I don't like hand 1 cause I don't know what you're trying to rep here. With what legitimate hand would you take such a line here? I'd think bet flop, c/r is not a line you take too often, right? Plus I think 77 or KQ might be in his range and I'm not sure if he can lay down those...

2nd looks ok for me, though I'm not sure it's a bluff, he could easily have AQ AK stuff. I would ve raised on the flop though...

Re: Two bluff lines (NL200)
 

Hand 2 - I think you're giving an 'unknown' player too much credit for being able to think and lay down an overpair

Hand 1 - I like this against the described player

Re: Two bluff lines (NL200)
 

hand 1 - save this move for nitty regs not for chump ass unknowns.

hand 2 - rofl @ bluff

Re: Two bluff lines (NL200)
 

So, I thought I was turning hand 2 into a bluff because I doubted that he would double barrel worse, but I guess I'm retarded. So lets change hand 2. Do I vbet the river now or check behind?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($236.95)
Button ($38)
SB ($118)
BB ($119.65)
UTG ($210.35)
UTG+1 ($52.40)
MP1 ($145.40)
MP2 ($223.50)
MP3 ($255.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $6</font>, Hero calls $6, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($15) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12.

Turn: ($39) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $28</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $68</font>, MP3 calls $40.

River: ($175) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP3 checks, Hero

Re: Two bluff lines (NL200)
 

I guess I'm a pussy and check behind. Though I doubt it he could have like QQ and just got scared by your call, c/r line but still willing to call you down. But this could very well be a leak...

Re: Two bluff lines (NL200)
 

When he calls the turn raise, I don't think TPTK is a vb'able hand.

Re: Two bluff lines (NL200)
 

1: I would take this line if he seems to really be getting out of line. Looks good, sucks if he calls with a draw though and bets the river when he misses, cause I can't see anything but c/f from here, and a check after turn c/r is begging for him to bet.

2. Is this really a vbet situation? I would think we are bluffing usually if he calls the turn raise. Doesn't seem like you have that much showdown value, but I could be wrong.
In any case I think it is a situation where we should definitely fire hard