Optimal?
 

Is this a good way to give shortstackers a taste of their own medicine? Optimal play?

Poker Stars, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG+1: $950
MP1: $1,201.25
MP2: $1,227
CO: $249.25
Hero (BTN): $935
SB: $157
BB: $200
UTG: $1,296

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
5 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $935 and is All-In</font>

Re: Optimal?
 

Sounds +EV.
Dont know the SC numbers off hand but I bet the number for AQ is &gt; 40 and I assume you can divide by two for two opponents.

You could probably use software like SNQWIZ (there is a chip equity option) and assign calling ranges to them both.

Optimal would be a different debate but yes - a taste of their own medicine is goot for them.

Re: Optimal?
 

I don't like how you played that cause I think your hand is too weak for that line. If one of the blinds wakes up with say AK, JJ+ they'll def you call you and you might be in pretty bad shape. If they both fold you have invested 935$ to win 15 plus some advertising value maybe.
I wouldn't mind this line though with AK, QQ+ thoughto mix it up a little.
Just make a normal raise, in case you get reraised or of one them shoves you can still reevaluate.

Re: Optimal?
 

I think it's fine. They are about 5.9% likely to show up with a super premium hand there JJ+ or AK (from pokey's post on blind stealing) 17*$15 = $255 FE and we have 29% equity even when they call with that range. The rest of their range is a coinflip against us.

Re: Optimal?
 

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you have invested 935$ to win 15.


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read the HH again...effective stacks are $200

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Sounds +EV.
Dont know the SC numbers off hand


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Pardon my ignorance..but what is this? (SC numbers)

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The rest of their range is a coinflip against us.

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And the occasional AJ, AT-

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you have invested 935$ to win 15.


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read the HH again...effective stacks are $200

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Ok, right. You have invested effectively 200 to win 15...Still a normal raise would achieve the same but I guess I understand your reasoning for your move. Just not my fav play...

Re: Optimal?
 

Assume they will call with AK, JJ+ thats 3.9% of hands.
Your equity against this range is 35%

I have simplified by giving them both $200.00 and assuming they will never both call.
My rough calculations

92.2% You win Blinds $15.00 = $13.83
2.73% (7.8% x 35%) You are called and win pot $400.00 = $10.92
5.07% (7.8% x 65%) You are called and lose pot -$400.00 = -$20.28

Equity from shove = $4.47.
Pretty close, +EV but high variance.
If they play predictably then a 3bb raise should steal their blinds a lot of the time and you can get away from a re-raise easy enough.

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Sounds +EV.
Dont know the SC numbers off hand


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Pardon my ignorance..but what is this? (SC numbers)

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Sklansky Chubranov Numbers (Spelling?)
In short if you are in the SB with a given hand and the BB has a certain stack or smaller you can shove all in and the BB could not profit (in the long term) even if
- He knew your cards
- He had a perfect poker brain and could calculate equity instantly.

Thats a poor explaination, get a copy of NLTAP - all in there.