flush came on river, shove it in?
 

Villain is a 53/10/2 donkey. It really looks like a flush draw the way the hand has played out, what's our river action here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($119.30)
SB ($13.85)
BB ($34.55)
UTG ($28.80)
Hero ($56.50)
CO ($39.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, BB calls $4.

Turn: ($12.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $9</font>, BB calls $9.

River: ($30.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ...

Re: flush came on river, shove it in?
 

Always shove here, he's got what, $20 left and he didn't even shove it. Why would it look like a flush?

Re: flush came on river, shove it in?
 

just making sure =)

Re: flush came on river, shove it in?
 

Yea shove it.

Re: flush came on river, shove it in?
 

If you check are you going to fold to a bet? If not then just shove it yourself. The reason I say that is because unless he has a flush, he is more than likely checking behind everything else. Meanwhile, he might call a bet with some of those hands.

Re: flush came on river, shove it in?
 

That advice makes a lot more sense out of position. Regardless, it's still a shove.

Re: flush came on river, shove it in?
 

Whoops, thought we were oop. Shoving is still best imo. I gotta pay more attention to pf from now on.

Re: flush came on river, shove it in?
 

Why are we shoving here?

We're in position and he is very unlikely to

A) have us beat
B) call us

the only way we get called if we shove is if we are beat.

He most likely called us down with a weak queen, a queen/jack with a straight draw or the flush draw - what exactly is he calling a shove on the river with except something that has us destroyed?

This is player dependant and uNL, so its read dependant, if I think he's a fishcake and calling with QJ/AQ/AJ then sure I shove.

Re: flush came on river, shove it in?
 

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Why are we shoving here?

We're in position and he is very unlikely to

A) have us beat
B) call us

the only way we get called if we shove is if we are beat.

He most likely called us down with a weak queen, a queen/jack with a straight draw or the flush draw - what exactly is he calling a shove on the river with except something that has us destroyed?

This is player dependant and uNL, so its read dependant, if I think he's a fishcake and calling with QJ/AQ/AJ then sure I shove.

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because i like money

Re: flush came on river, shove it in?
 

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Why are we shoving here?

We're in position and he is very unlikely to

A) have us beat
B) call us

the only way we get called if we shove is if we are beat.

He most likely called us down with a weak queen, a queen/jack with a straight draw or the flush draw - what exactly is he calling a shove on the river with except something that has us destroyed?

This is player dependant and uNL, so its read dependant, if I think he's a fishcake and calling with QJ/AQ/AJ then sure I shove.

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Everybody is calling with QJ/KQ/AQ....like always....also with Q8 and J8....and I wouldn't be surprised to see this villian call with worse.